To object to this punishment ?

Lots of schools now use 'consequences' on a scale.

C1 - name on board - at the end of the lesson you start again with a clean sheet
C2 - name is ticked- at the end of the lesson you start again with a clean sheet
C3 - detention
C4 - Internal exclusion
C5 - meeting with parents and head

It is rare for a student to get beyond a C2 unless it is something like a fight.

As someone else said it isn't always those who struggle, one of the subjects I teach is a BTEC and taken by a lot of students who will work their way to a good grade.

But then you get the odd student who is aiming for 8-9 GCSEs grade A / 9.

They see the BTEC as a bit of a doss, to fill up their time table and sometimes act up.

My child got in trouble cause the teacher said she was using her mobile in class. My daughter said she wasn’t and I believe her as she doesn’t lie, but I believe the teacher thinks she saw her using her device so I advised her to suck up any punishment and always give the teacher full attention so she won’t get in trouble next time. You can’t go whining to the school, undermining the respect your child ought to show their teacher, and expect your child to get a teacher’s respect back.

In my school those who end up in internal exclusion must be given work by their teachers - I would get an email telling me who is in internal exclusion and reminding me it is a legal obligation to provide work if they should be in my class that day
If he is in Year 11 then I imagine that it is for something serious

Because we were given a thorough presentation from the Head Teacher before it was implemented.

Because I know parents of several children who have been Hubbed.

Because there is a 'parents of x school' Facebook group where parents of children who have been Hubbed complain.

Because I spend a lot of time waiting for a staff member on the steps outside reception, which is directly opposite 'triage', and people speak loudly.

Good god what did he do?...... community service would be more beneficial surely?

How do you have such in depth knowledge of how this Hub runs if your kids have never been in it?

Apologies I feel we have high jacked this thread a bit.

OP - I don’t believe that your son won’t be given work although I know sometimes teachers forget especially when told at last minute by SMT.

unless you think the punishment is unfair because your child didn’t do actually do the thing he was accused of then you need to support the school.

Lougle

I can see what you are saying about the hub. But the general concept of certain behaviours (which may seem minor) causing you to be removed from the classroom is good.
personally I don’t really agree with sending out children whose behaviour isn’t affecting the learning of the class (e.g sitting in silence not working) but there is a massive contingent of kids at my school who spend every lesson disrupting, throwing things, stoping the teacher talking etc. when they are removed then everyone else can learn properly which is why the ability to remove is so important.

It's not great. It would be great if the behaviours that were sanctioned were the truly disruptive ones and the teachers were applying the sanctions consistently, etc.

But some of the kids who get sent to the hub are so clearly 'regulars'. They flap around their red cards, waiting to be 'triaged' to determine where they'll be sent (some get sent to the hub, others to 'R&R'). They are resigned to their place in the hub. They chat to the teacher while they wait to be triaged and pass the time of day. They chit chat among themselves, comparing transgressions.

It would be great if they were doing meaningful work. But copying pages of a random text book, just for the sake of being given something to do - a modern equivalent of 'lines' - is not meaningful.

My children have never been hubbed. But that's because they have displayed their needs in a way that teachers see positively and have been dealt with by SEN staff, rather than sanctioned.

Teachers have it hard these days. I can see that. But I don't think a purpose built 'behaviour hub' is the answer.

Lougle

Could you tell us where this school is please?

It sounds great and I bet if they follow through with the punishments as listed it has a better staff retention than my school where certain kids get away with all the stuff on the immediate exclusion list with a little chat with the HOY and we currently have 10 teaching vacancies.

Unless the school has told you he will be sitting doing nothing I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

Don't hold your breath

Internal exclusion tends to be when a student has been exited for repeat disruption or insolence, or if they have been involved in something which is an obvious breach - fighting/altercation, vaping, vandalism.

They'll be sat in the behaviour unit/isolation room and are usually sent work to do from the teacher of the lessons they are now missing.

Highly unusual they'd be sat in isolation all day just to reflect on their behaviour. Might be the case they have to wait for the work, cannot complete it themselves, finish it early or a teacher is off/forgets. But a whole day? Nope.

I'm on the edge of my seat.

Will the op ever come back?
Will we ever find out what the child did?

Lougle
Not all kids who misbehave in class can't do the work. Some don't want to do the work. There are probably all kinds of reasons why they disturb others including trauma in their early years but they are in a class of 30 in most cases where the needs of the 29 others to learn and feel safe are important. A teacher can spend all their time trying to coax a kid to work or they can teach everyone else and let the pastoral staff do their job. Many kids especially those with send in fact get very anxious about being in classrooms where poor behaviour is tolerated or glossed over.

I also think we need to consider what we mean by low level disruption. Shouting at the teacher, refusing to follow instructions and swearing is not low level. I would agree that swinging on your chair is not an isolation event in most schools though!

Depends on what he did. My son went to a boisterous single sex school and faced so many disruptions from others during class time and during exams, if a child doesn't want to learn why should they be allowed to disrupt everyone else? I wish my son's school had clamped down on it more.

Given that you purposely didn't tell us what he did I suspect he deserves the punishment.

He should be doing work during his internal exclusion.

That is the point I would be focusing on. Hard.

Why doesn't he just stop twatting about and behave properly in class, then he won't get internal exclusions and won't miss any work. It's really not very hard....

I actually think this punishment is not at all appropriate in any circumstances- surely missing out on lessons when doing GCSEs is just setting them up to fail ?

It gives 29 other students an opportunity to learn without disruption from the excluded student.

I have never heard of them not having work to do, either given by each teacher or some generic work in the exclusion room.

Quite often it is something like comprehension exercises that are useful in all subjects.

Or it can be reading.

It’s very unlikely they won’t have work to do. Additionally, why should the rest of the class have their learning to disrupted?

Yep, there’s plenty of time to catch up on missed lesson. They can ask each teacher what the lesson was, then go home and spend their own time catching up.

If a child is struggling with the content or difficulty of their work, then displays low level behaviour as displacement (this is often recognised at primary level with 'it's boring') how does it help to remove them from the lesson, isolate them, and instruct them to copy from a random textbook?

Often, homework is linked to class work. If they've missed the class work, they don't understand their homework...more detentions and hub time.

They get to a point where they just don't care about school or have any respect for their teachers - even more sanctions.

It's hard. My children don't do well in disruptive environments, so the hub is useful in that respect, but thinking about wider society, I think it's harmful.

Taking the prison analogy, we know that people have a higher rate of offending after then before. Collecting groups of students who aren't behaving ideally and bringing them together must promote worse behaviour.