Lip filler everywhere

I have spent time working with patients with dysmorphia and it’s a fascinating area of mental health. You need to be able to work out what the patient is trying to achieve before you can unpick their morphological problem. My area is the mouth but having a good basis in general body morphology is necessary.
I mainly identify patients who have dysmorphia as opposed to the need to be like everyone else. My son calls it “white sheep syndrome”. Most chronic fillers of their lips are not dysmorphic.

I did consider training to carry out lip fillers, it’s a lucrative business, but was put off by the pressure to overfill lips. I have always refused to electively disfigure patients.

Did you not see the diagram I included? I take it that you are not familiar with the intricacies of the human anatomy and you didn’t spot the red line indicating the width of the shoulders.

Your lips look good! Very natural

@LadyWithLapdog the ones I have are nicer now. I just get long sleeved fitted ones. I have a nice ribbed one from Tesco. They fit nice into jeans. Tucked in tops do look good generally if you have bigger hips than waist. It doesn’t have to be a body suit. I will even wear longer cropped tops in summer. Dressing for your body shape can be fun and confidence building. If you don’t like body suits and you wear dresses then wrap dresses can look nice too.

I remember the bodysuits from first time around (80s?), they weren’t that comfortable. Maybe the fabrics and poppers are better now.

@CremeEggSupremacy no I am a smaller size on top than on bottom so I don’t think I look boxy. I like baggy clothes at the same time but a nice body suit with high waisted jeans can look nice too. I think a lot of women avoid clingy clothes but oversized clothes can have the boxy effect. Tesco or new look.

@AntonFeckoff they undo in the crotch with 2 or 3 poppers. I always buy long ones that you can easily reach

I had to Google bodysuit. How do you use the loo in one? I think I’d hate it.

Do you not find bodysuits make you look very boxy because they cling to the widest part and then don’t sit on the waist? I love the look of these but I have a tiny waist compared to my hips and whenever I try one on, they seem to make my whole torso look the size of my hips! Where do you get yours from?

Well what I've learned here is why women have these things in the first place; some of these posts are unbelievable in terms of focus. No wonder people feel self conscious

Try body suits as well. I have a small waist (big hips) so I wear those things too, it looks nice

@Angrymum22 I'm not picking holes. I'm just pointing out that even by your own definitions it's nothing to do with shoulders. Your excessively detailed essays about the topic are..... strangely overinvested.

I think because my waist is very noticeable.

Same when I’m naked, but I never show it off! I normally wear mid-rise skinny/slim jeans and baggy jumpers. I’m now going to experiment with some high rise trousers and fitted jumpers.

I'm an hourglass with 34DD and visibly small breasts for my overall frame - I'm 5'9 and quite athletic looking. But I've had much larger breasted friends telling me I'm hourglass, I think because my waist is very noticeable.
Once told this it completely changed the way I saw myself.

I took some measurements and put them into a calculator. My breasts are relatively small at 32C/D, but apparently I’m an hour glass. I always thought I was but a friend said I couldn’t be because it was all about breast size. A revelation! Now I’m re-thinking my wardrobe.

@drowninginjelly ok you are determine to pick holes.
Let’s try and imagine someone with a 30 inch chest and a 40inch hip or pelvic measurement. 30 inches is the measurement around the rib cage and either includes the boobs or doesn’t so is a body width of around 10inches at this point. The shoulder width, if the individual is not some freak of nature will be about the same, approx 10-12 inches. The hips are around 20 inches in width nearly 50% wider than the chest at its widest and the shoulders that the chest hangs on.
If the chest is as wide as the hips then you are no longer pear shaped.
Imagine a skeleton that is 20inches across the shoulders then narrows to 20inches across the rib cage at boob level.
You can have a narrow chest with huge cup size and still be pear shaped.
The diagram below demonstrates the three basic shapes on similar sized women and shows them all with the same sized boobs.
I have much wider shoulders than hips which then gives me a chest circumference of 38 inches ( at my absolute thinnest it only drops to 36 inches my cup size goes from DD to B)
My hip size is always smaller than my shoulders and chest.
This results in me having a size 18 upper body and size 14 lower body.
Even at my thinnest (5’7” 9st I cannot get into trousers or jeans smaller than size 12 I have a big skeleton. )
Our fundamental shape is dependent on our skeletal shape.
Simply join the dots on the diagrams to see the underlying shape.

@Angrymum22 Rectangular can have any variation of measurements but their bust/waist/hip measurements will be similar so 34/30/34 or 50/44/50.
Pear shape would have 30/24/44 or a bigger pear maybe 40/32/54
An hourglass will have 36/26/36 or 50/38/50.
Even by your own description you are using bust waist hip measurements to define pear or rectangle. Nothing to do with shoulders. As YOU have yourself detailed, a pear might be 30/24/44 bust/waist/hip. Shoulders are irrelevant.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow you are right I was thinking more re the fashionable body shape rather than how we use fashion to alter it.
It’s quite grotesque the lengths Victorian and Edwardian women went to to achieve certain silhouettes.
But no where near as grotesque as BBLs ( the Kardashian’s) rib removals, toe length alteration and leg bone lengthening. Plastic and orthopaedic surgery has truly entered Frankenstein territory.

Sorry I’m preaching but I’m fascinated by body morphology and the adaptations we have made, via evolution, to adapt to every part of the world. And it has nothing to do with fashion

Actually it does! I used to lecture in fashion history.

Basucally there is nothing new left to do in fashion. It’s just constant rehashing of old styles. The Body by Donna Karen was the last ‘new’ thing in fashion in the 80s/90’s.

So people now change and rehash their bodies. This started with the rise of tattoos in mainstream about 35 years ago, along with different body piercings. The rise of gyms has also co incuded with this. And now we are at a point where people want to change their lips, eyelashes and cheeks. Hair extensions were another thing, as are acrylic nails.

I don’t know where it goes from here!

I just watched a vlog of a woman who had 12ml of filler in her face and lips who realised she had gone too far and admits she had lost all sight of what was looking good on her own face. She showed you herself afterwards and said she as mortified at what she had done to herself and how much she had lost perspective. I think it is easy to do this and not realise how far you have gone

Im not referring to fashion based shape but anatomical shape. The vast majority of women are rectangular, gain fat all over and have no difference between bust, waste and hip measurement.

About a quarter of women have a smaller top half to bottom half, the smaller/narrower top half may have small bust measurement ( rib cage) but can have any cup size or volume of breast. But the width of shoulders and rib cage/circumferential bust size will be lower than their pelvic width. Fat is predominantly deposited in their buttocks and thighs. So they often look slender on top but buxom below the waste.

Finally less than 10% have shoulder and rib cage as wide as pelvic width but with fat deposited both above and below the waste giving classic hour glass.

Rectangular can have any variation of measurements but their bust/waist/hip measurements will be similar so 34/30/34 or 50/44/50.
Pear shape would have 30/24/44 or a bigger pear maybe 40/32/54
An hourglass will have 36/26/36 or 50/38/50.
Our bodies follow patterns in the way fat is deposited. Pears will have few fat cells above their hips with fat deposits in buttocks hips and legs. Rectangular classically around the abdomen and hourglass in back, bust and hips/ buttocks.
The fat distribution is partly the result of evolution and g conveys advantages and disadvantages.
In hotter climates you don’t want fat all over the body. In temperate and cold climates you need more even distribution.
Women need fat stores for our fundamental function and that is to produce milk. Post puberty our bodies are designed to produce babies and milk to feed them. Like any other mammal we are adapted for this function.
Most women who have bf for an extended period will have noticed that it is often harder to lose weight the longer you feed for and you build up fat stores in weird places.

Obviously, we have made great inroads in overcoming natures control over our bodies. Diet, gastric sleeves, plastic surgery and liposuction can dramatically change our body, but it’s very difficult to change our basic skeletal framework.

The study of human morphology is fascinating. But you need to look further than the celebrity and fashion world to understand the way our bodies differ and how those differences have evolved.

Morphology is often used as a basis for epidemiological research into human metabolism and disease processes. An example is the incidence of heart disease in women. A few years ago a study found that having a pear shape( fat distributed mainly around the hips and legs) was possible an indication of lower risk of heart disease . Unfortunately the evidence is still inconclusive. We do know that adaptations in order to survive in colder climates did lead to an increased risk of heart disease but having more body fat resulted in greater rate of survival to adulthood and therefore being able to reproduce. There is no point being skinny and potentially heart disease free if you can’t survive the cold winters.

Sorry I’m preaching but I’m fascinated by body morphology and the adaptations we have made, via evolution, to adapt to every part of the world. And it has nothing to do with fashion.

@W0tnow @Jellycats4life @Angrymum22
It seems there is no consensus online. 'Pear shaped' isn't a scientific category in any case.

This excerpt gives some advice relating to whether you use shoulder or bust.

I've always used bust as to me an hourglass is the classic bust/waist/hip dimensions. Nothing to do with shoulders at all

Pear shape to me is all about the shoulder to hip ratio.

It’s always been my understanding that hourglass = big hips and boobs, and pear shape = big hips and small boobs.

I didn’t think shoulders had anything to do with it.

What about shoulders that equal the pelvic width, a large arse but smaller breasts? Is that pear or hourglass?

@monsteramunch maybe my views have indeed been skewed by the plethora of done lips in society - the ones that are obvioously 'done' and the ones which are subtle and which MN posters have done. I have been conditioned into seeing lips which are inflated in size and have lost sight of 'normal' like Helen Mirren's. I'm probably not alone in that. Helen's lips look much like my mum's did in her later years - they had thinned (lips do), and lipstick did the heavy lifting in terms of restoration.
Helen is a goddess, and as far as i can tell, has aged naturally and beautifully. I know she gets airbrushed in advertising and magazines, and I don't know how she feels about that. But in footage and unguarded photos she looks amazing.

The examples you give are not classic pear shape. Their shoulders are too broad ie they equal the pelvic width, making them beautiful hour glass shape.
An example of pear shaped would be Miranda Hart, very narrow shoulders which lie well within the width of her pelvis.
Just because someone has a big arse and hips doesn’t make them pear shaped. Miranda fits the pear shaped with short philtrum and gummy smile perfectly.