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AIBU to take my son into the female changing room?

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JustKeepSwimmingAlong · 20/11/2023 18:36

I’ve taken my kids swimming tonight, both have separate swimming lessons and I swam with one while the other had theirs. Eldest is male, 9 and has multiple additional needs including ADHD, ASD and some physical disabilities which means he struggles to change himself. Youngest is in nursery so can dress herself but does need supervision. We got out the pool and realised all the changing rooms were full. There were 8 classes on over multiple pools, as well as general swim on at the same time. There’s only two family/accessible changing rooms and the others are all individual. There were literal queues for the large changing rooms.
I then noticed people going out of the group change. I’ve not used it before, but there was a male and a female changing room, so we went in the females. There was no one in it so started laying out the kids clothes and getting them to shower. Got them out the showers and started to get them dressed and people started coming in. There were a couple of mums with young girls and boys, and then a teenager looking girl came in by herself. She immediately came over to tell me that we were in the female room. I explained my son needed help getting changed and the changing rooms were full, but this room had been empty so we’d used it rather than standing wet and cold waiting for a changing room.
We were nearly Finished and my son was fully dressed when she arrived. He sat next to me, facing the wall and we left within a few minutes. During this time, she did get changed, so we didn’t delay her. Now I’m wondering if I was unreasonable?
I don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable, but I really don’t know what else I could have done in the situation? There’s too many classes and too few changing rooms, and we need a larger/accessible one, but they’re the only ones with baby change so they’re really
Popular. The lessons are every week so now I’m wondering what I can do next week? Would I be unreasonable to keep using the group change if there are no other options available?

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AutumnNamechange · 20/11/2023 20:50

Good for the teenager for speaking up. I think OP if the group changing room is full in future and you absolutely need to go into the female changing rooms, don't get him to shower, just go in get changed as quickly as possible and shower at home.

Birch101 · 20/11/2023 20:49

A common problem, not enough changing spaces for the outflow of class, personally I've had to leave my class a few minutes before everyone else to secure a family change and put a marker e.g. shoe poking out underneath so rest of family know which door to knock on, are the kids who are in classes without you be able to find you if you do this?

Bobbybobbins · 20/11/2023 20:48

We are not able to use our local swimming pool as it only has group changing. The disabled changing area is inside the women's changing room so not really much help!!

AhBiscuits · 20/11/2023 20:44

You should have waited in one of the queues like the other people.

SnowflakeSparkles · 20/11/2023 20:40

Pipistrellus · 20/11/2023 20:22

The rules and guidelines should be followed but there will always be borderline situations like this e.g. kids who meet the technical age for the policy but look bigger and older.

How is it borderline? The child isn't a 7 year old that looks 9, he is 9. It would be difficult if you find have an older looking child but then at least you could tell people their actual age.

I said e.g. as in LIKE that. I was speaking generally.

A boy just over the typical age limit with SEN is also a case I would consider "borderline". "Borderline" is subjective but again that's kind of my point, some parents will make judgements on the side of using the group changing room, and armed police aren't going to jump out at them and demand they remove themselves, so as said, if you know that you are going to be unhappy about potentially running into the pretty normal practice of a male child with his mother in group female changing rooms, then perhaps some onus is on you to refrain from using that group changing facility in the first place.

Lilacanemone · 20/11/2023 20:36

Riverlee · 20/11/2023 18:40

I think you were fine. Wouldn’t bother me.

Same here.

Pipistrellus · 20/11/2023 20:22

The rules and guidelines should be followed but there will always be borderline situations like this e.g. kids who meet the technical age for the policy but look bigger and older.

How is it borderline? The child isn't a 7 year old that looks 9, he is 9. It would be difficult if you find have an older looking child but then at least you could tell people their actual age.

OhmygodDont · 20/11/2023 20:20

I mean for her to mention it she was uncomfortable. A female in the females changing rooms feelings should always trump that of a person who shouldn’t be there. It’s her space not his.

Parents would really be happy for their daughters to be uncomfortable so a male or rather his mother can be happier? Nope.

Find a suitable pool with enough correct rooms, wait your turn cold and wet like everyone else or don’t go. You don’t impose on women and girls because oh well fuck em my sons getting cold waiting like everyone else.

SnowflakeSparkles · 20/11/2023 20:14

SoSad44 · 20/11/2023 20:08

a teenage girl clearly told you she was not comfortable and you have to ask if yabu??

Reading the OP, she did not say she was not comfortable. She pointed out to the OP that she and her son were in the female changing rooms and then proceeded to change.

It's really quite normal for mums to take male DC and dads to take female DC to the changing room appropriate for the parent to use.

If you want to fully avoid boy children then you should use individual cubicles if you are on your own.

The rules and guidelines should be followed but there will always be borderline situations like this e.g. kids who meet the technical age for the policy but look bigger and older.

I don't think we need to demonise and berate parents and their poor kids who have no say in the matter, it's really unnecessary.

Sprinkles211 · 20/11/2023 20:12

Mum of 3 sen children here he's now old enough where his privacy needs to be respected as much as those others in his space. Waiting for the family change is the right thing to do for your child aswell as the general public.

SoSad44 · 20/11/2023 20:08

a teenage girl clearly told you she was not comfortable and you have to ask if yabu??

SnowflakeSparkles · 20/11/2023 20:08

I'm surprised there are so many able bodied NT women/girls using the big group changing room tbh.

I would have been mortified to change in one at any age past the year 3 class lessons before having kids myself!

Pipistrellus · 20/11/2023 20:08

Your son’s conditions should probably earn him a year’s grace, but other people wouldn’t be expected to know that.

I disagree, a girl will just see a preteen boy and feel uncomfortable, she won't feel less uncomfortable because he needs supervision or assistance to change. Once the child is too old for the opposite sex room, if disability means they cannot use the correct room then there needs to be a family room reserved for families in that situation. He should not be in the women's.

Temporaryname158 · 20/11/2023 20:08

I think this brings up the wider issue that more family change rooms are needed.

my son is 8 but is tall so looks older. I am not happy letting him be alone, showering and being naked whilst getting changed with males he doesn’t know - with no adult there to ‘protect’ him (he has mild Asd and is very trusting). I’m sorry but unfortunately I don’t trust many adult males.

we always use the family changing rooms

JADS · 20/11/2023 20:06

We do lessons at a less convenient swimming pool than our local one purely because they have a changing village with individual cubicles rather than female/male changing rooms. Ds is 12 and has SEN. He can now get changed himself. It took years to master, hopefully your son will get it soon.

Lackinginspiration1 · 20/11/2023 20:06

by using the female changing rooms for an older male child, you clearly don’t believe that their privacy is of concern. So next time you can have the same lack of respect for your child’s privacy instead and get him changed outside?

Nevermind31 · 20/11/2023 20:05

In our pool (semi private as only for people living in our development) everyone takes their kids into the female changing rooms, this includes 9/10 year old boys. Only once they come swimming by themselves do they go in the males.
mainly because all of them are slow, lose their stuff, spend considerable amount of time clowning around, and the mums wouldn’t be able to supervise. Equally, dads are taking daughters into male changing room.
this is accepted practice (no kids after 7), but maybe that is only our pool.

PastorCarrBonarra · 20/11/2023 20:05

Agree with the majority - it’s inappropriate OP. Girls and women should not be made to feel uncomfortable in their own designated spaces.

He’ll hit the age soon where he wants to start changing independently (irrespective of whether he can) and will refuse to enter the female changing rooms with you, so you probably need to find solutions if you’re planning to continue with this activity.

LeHamelRenard · 20/11/2023 20:02

YANBU.

LittleGlowingOblong · 20/11/2023 19:58

A difficult one. My private gym allows boys up until age 8 (and I think that’s quite a common threshold).

Your son’s conditions should probably earn him a year’s grace, but other people wouldn’t be expected to know that.

Can you bring a towel and warm onesie, and change him poolside? Or speak to pool management to discuss? Maybe he could get out the pool 5 mins early.

Grimbelina · 20/11/2023 19:57

You need to speak to the management and organise an accessible space now you know there is a problem. You can't use the female changing area.

Mrgrinch · 20/11/2023 19:53

9 is too old to be in the changing room for the opposite sex. I would not change in front of him.

Theduchy · 20/11/2023 19:53

I can see why you made the decision you did but I think once another female told you she was uncomfortable you should have respected that and left.

Pipistrellus · 20/11/2023 19:49

It's only becoming an issue because parents infantilise their children to the extent that an 8 year old can't change without mummy supervising.

I think this is the issue, as older children without disabilities are then in the family rooms with their opposite sex parent instead of being sent into the correct sex changing room. That and families with same sex or younger children using the family rooms. If these were only used by families that needed them, like the OP's family, then there wouldn't be a problem.

Mulhollandmagoo · 20/11/2023 19:47

PuttingDownRoots · 20/11/2023 18:47

I think the problem here is that the accessible rooms double as the family change.

More families need to be directed to the communal rooms to allow those who cannot access the single sex rooms a suitable facility

I agree with this, if people can use the single sex changing rooms in that situation they should, your son has additional needed therefore should be a priority for an accessible changing space, I would raise that with the pool.

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