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uneffingbelievable · 16/11/2023 12:06

Woman's Hour presenter is being social media abused for her interview with the CEO of an endometriosis charity and her use of the word woman

When is this madness and bullying going to stop?
Emma was right -well done

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Froodwithatowel · 16/11/2023 15:45

I'm sure the BBC is being brigaded. One moment while I get out the world's tiniest violin that the nasty lady didn't pander. Emma was brilliant.

Clabony · 16/11/2023 15:42

MovedByFanciesThatAreCurled · 16/11/2023 15:37

My favourite bit was when they said ‘we need to de couple this from being a gynaecological issue’ WTAF?!!!

I know!
What the hell was that all about?
It was the most bonkers interview about a woman's health condition I've ever heard. Have they been on the magic mushrooms?
Thank goodness Emma knew her subject.

MovedByFanciesThatAreCurled · 16/11/2023 15:37

My favourite bit was when they said ‘we need to de couple this from being a gynaecological issue’ WTAF?!!!

CormoranEllacott · 16/11/2023 15:34

Helleofabore · 16/11/2023 13:43

Yes. Laura Kerby seems to be being held up as some sort of comparator.

https://prostatecanceruk.org/about-us/who-we-are/our-people/laura-kerby

Laura is our Chief Executive and she joined us in February 2022. She’s worked in health and wellbeing for over two decades and has a wealth of knowledge across the healthcare landscape. She’s held various senior leadership positions in private healthcare businesses and was an Executive Board member at Nuffield Health, the largest not for profit in the UK.

For the past eight years, Laura has been a Chief Executive in the voluntary sector. She’s led two national cancer charities, Penny Brohn UK and Myeloma UK and has developed a patient-centric approach to research and cancer support. She’s committed to transforming patient experiences and influencing positive changes in care. Her dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer four years ago and she’s driven to ensure future lives aren’t shortened or limited by prostate cancer.

In 2018 Laura undertook a Master of Science Degree in People and Organisation Development at Roffey Park Institute to study leadership and improve her own practice.

Laura lives in Stroud with her family and her many ‘rescue’ pets – she has two dogs and three cats. She enjoys being outdoors and walking. And coming from an east end family she had no choice but to support West Ham, a team she avidly follows!

I suspect that Richards has nothing like the experience that Laura does. AND it is very important to note that Laura has not erased the word 'men' from communications for prostrate cancer PLUS is not an activist with very public evidence of misandry nor is she an activist for other causes while working for the Prostate Cancer charity. (ie. Richards is a very well known misogynist yet is now in charge of a women's health charity). So, really.... no comparison.

One would say it was a completely false comparator and misses the point spectacularly in fact.

Also, Laura isn’t pretending to be a man! I think that’s the most egregious part.

whatwasIgoingtosay · 16/11/2023 15:32

Thanks for the link. I have written to the BBC with support for Emma.

ArthurbellaScott · 16/11/2023 15:27

It's great that so many are letting the BBC know that they support Emma. It does make a difference - there will be complaints going in, so if they can also point to lots of support it helps.

Redbushteaforme · 16/11/2023 15:25

I heard this interview when it was broadcast yesterday and found it absolutely rivetting. I'm not always a fan of Emma but during this interview she asked the questions which I am sure many women listening wanted to ask, and was incredibly well-informed, both when questioning the transwomen CEO and the (handmaiden) charity founder. As a PP had said, if the CEO had explained why they were the best person for the job and what their vision for the charity was, it would perhaps not have been quite as bad, but the CEO's insistence on not using the word "woman" when discussing endo, and in highlighting that 29 men are known to have suffered from a male version of this disease (as compared with millions of women who suffer from endo) spoke volumes.

I hadn't heard of the CEO before but am not surprised to see the accusations above of mysogeny.

I've emailed the BBC in support of Emma, and hope other people will do the same.

ffsonly46 · 16/11/2023 15:23

Love Emma Barnett too!
I heard the interview and loved how when they mentioned the 29 men Emma said that's just whataboutery 😆

I will be sending my support for Emma to the BBC
#teamemma

TanteRose · 16/11/2023 14:53

Feedback sent to the BBC
fully support Emma

Teentaxidriver · 16/11/2023 14:53

Emailed BBC to applaud her.

Farmageddon · 16/11/2023 14:49

Well done Emma - when she took over WH I thought she was a bit more of a 'beee kind' type of feminist, however I think because she has suffered personally from endometriosis and has talked about how it has affected her, it must be galling to then sit in front of someone who is using your condition to further their own personal agenda and expects everyone to play along. I think this is a clear example of the reality of this nonsense ideology when it plays out.

I also will never understand women like Jodie who play along with this stuff, what exactly does she get out of this?

EnoughIsay · 16/11/2023 14:47

Marthachanged · 16/11/2023 12:54

I learned from a letter in The Times that the head of a charity for Prostate Cancer is a Woman.
Fine, at least she does not have the pressure of maintaining a lifestyle or behaviour that is new to her.

But has the head of the Prostrate Cancer society changed language to remove the word MAN?

Made it "gender neutral" and dehamanize men who suffer horribly with this condition.

Does it peanlize any men for using the word MAN in that circumstance.

Does it repremand them for their cis privillage in the disease?

That was rather the point of the interview I think?

OhComeOnFFS · 16/11/2023 14:42

I love Emma Barnett. She's just what Woman's Hour needed.

I haven't listened to this episode yet as I was worried my blood pressure would rocket. I knew she'd have flak for it - she knew she'd have flak for it, too. It's so ridiculous that a female presenter on Woman's Hour should be told to go along with the idea that a man is a woman.

Nagado · 16/11/2023 14:42

I think she was brilliant. I really hope she made some of the ‘Be Kind’ brigade stop and think.

The charity certainly didn’t do themselves any favours by doing a ‘Meet Steph’ section, right next to an unattributed quote about it being mad that they’d reached their 40s without anyone considering that it was endometriosis they were suffering from. The charity had to confirm that the quote was actually from a previous user of their services, rather than Steph, so I suspect I wasn’t the only one who rolled their eyes at the implication that Steph would be suffering from it.

Bankholidayhelp · 16/11/2023 14:36

that bbc link feels a bit like raising one's head above the parapet. But needs must!

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 16/11/2023 14:23

YANBU it was a brilliant interview.
I fully support Emma.

Helleofabore · 16/11/2023 14:22

No feminist would use phrases such as '10% of people experience endometriosis' which is what this charity did, under Jodie's leadership.

Just to clarify. It is 10% of WOMEN who are diagnosed with endometriosis. By saying it is PEOPLE, that makes it not only something that is common that male people can be diagnosed with, but at the same time is grossly inaccurate and halves the prevalence of the medical condition. (ie. it is 10 out of 100 women with it not 10 out of 100 of men and women).

That someone who is doing supposedly a Phd in the topic would think that is appropriate is a very good indication that this person seems to more concerned with other activism than facts that will help women.

luluofthevallies · 16/11/2023 14:20

ArthurbellaScott · 16/11/2023 12:58

YANBU.

Anyone who'd like to support Emma can send a positive comment to the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments-feedback/#/Your%20comment

Thanks for the link. I've sent positive feedback, I think Emma did a great interview.

EasternStandard · 16/11/2023 14:16

BringMeTea · 16/11/2023 13:26

When will this dystopian shit stop?

Only when the law changes

Currently the GRA informs all this

Clabony · 16/11/2023 14:12

Yes thanks @Helleofabore I realised I'd made an error there. Flowers

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/11/2023 14:11

Trouble is, it's rare to hear transactivist ideology being challenged on the BBC or any other TV media. So we (and transactivists) are not used to having incoherence, untruths or ideology met with anything other than fawning approval.
Emma was excellent in asking clear and appropriate questions about what's happening in that charity.

Helleofabore · 16/11/2023 14:09

Clabony · 16/11/2023 14:06

I listened to this and it was an excellent bit of journalism by Emma. At least SHE knew what she was talking about, (unlike the CEO) and was informed in her questions and throughout the interview.

If I'm supporting a charity I'd like the person who is running it to at least know what they are talking about. The CEO, Steph didn't. What a load of disinformation!

Then there was the going on about being trans. No idea why. Not even an iota of encouragement to seek help for transmen (who are biologically female) who might be suffering from endometriosis, let alone the many thousands of women in the UK who have this condition. Instead, we had Steph wibbling on about 29 men WORLD WIDE who suffer from a similar condition in the penis.
WTF? It's Womans Hour for goodness sake! I'm not listening in to talk about 29 men in the whole wide world. I want to know about what this charity is doing for women. Not a lot it seems. It was all about Steph, who seems to have no experience at all in this area.

Well done to Emma B. for asking the right questions and revealing some iffy attitudes and incorrect facts. Not a charity I'd be supporting, some kind of vanity project for Steph it seemed and nothing else.

There's a much better, more organised one, called Endimetriosis UK. Thank goodness.
https://www.endometriosis-uk.org/

Edited

Clabony, it was 'Steph Richards' a male person who is a well known trans activist (and misogynist) who is now CEO and 'Jodie' who apparently is a woman with endometriosis who founded the charity.

Obviously, I posted this while you were editing..😅

Helleofabore · 16/11/2023 14:08

There was quite a number of serious disconnected thinking examples in the interview.

For instance, the founder, Jodie acknowledged that female medical health was subject to serious negative sexist discrimination of hundreds of years. And still is. Yes... this is very true.

Declared that she was a feminist (iirc).

And then stated that we needed to detach the femaleness from endometriosis to make sure that it got the investment it needed.

ummmm..... That is most certainly NOT a feminist premise. No feminist would position a medical condition that impacts 28 men and millions of women as anything but a female medical condition. No feminist would use phrases such as '10% of people experience endometriosis' which is what this charity did, under Jodie's leadership. That is very detrimental to women. And trying to erase the female connection is harmful.

I despair here. It seems both Jodie and Richards are simply using this charity to further their own careers and not actually centring the female people who need it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/11/2023 14:07

For those wondering about the extent of Steph's anti women activism - this is from the embarrassing protest that Steph organised to try to stop women meeting at the international FILIA conference in Portsmouth 2021. The article by Julie Bindel details how she and other women attempted to engage the protesters in dialogue but to no avail:

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-misogyny-of-trans-activists/

The misogyny of trans activists

To the annual FiLiA conference in Portsmouth. A 1,000-strong gathering of women of all ages and viewpoints, united by a desire and commitment to ending male violence, oppression and domination of women and girls. [...]Read More...

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-misogyny-of-trans-activists

Clabony · 16/11/2023 14:06

I listened to this and it was an excellent bit of journalism by Emma. At least SHE knew what she was talking about, (unlike the CEO) and was informed in her questions and throughout the interview.

If I'm supporting a charity I'd like the person who is running it to at least know what they are talking about. The CEO, Steph didn't. What a load of disinformation!

Then there was the going on about being trans. No idea why. Not even an iota of encouragement to seek help for transmen (who are biologically female) who might be suffering from endometriosis, let alone the many thousands of women in the UK who have this condition. Instead, we had Steph wibbling on about 29 men WORLD WIDE who suffer from a similar condition in the penis.
WTF? It's Womans Hour for goodness sake! I'm not listening in to talk about 29 men in the whole wide world. I want to know about what this charity is doing for women. Not a lot it seems. It was all about Steph, who seems to have no experience at all in this area.

Well done to Emma B. for asking the right questions and revealing some iffy attitudes and incorrect facts. Not a charity I'd be supporting, some kind of vanity project for Steph it seemed and nothing else.

There's a much better, more organised one, called Endimetriosis UK. Thank goodness.
https://www.endometriosis-uk.org/

Ending endometriosis starts by saying it | Endometriosis UK

https://www.endometriosis-uk.org