Dave is Back!!!

There was some interesting statistic-slicing on one of Phils podcasts recently. Basically there is no way to get the numbers needed anymore - even if you assume every "don't know" is a closet Tory vote.

There's also the fact that once you lose the centre ground, you end up chasing the fringes at the end of the bell curve - sacrificing 10% of your base to catch the 2% that are fair game for Reform.

The next GE has to be about minimising damage for the Tories.

The other interesting suggestion was a smaller Tory party would still retain it's overall "shape" regarding left-moderate-extreme. Which makes for some interesting horse trading.

The polls up until last weekend should a distinct pattern.

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/

Cameron also helped cause the current migrant crisis we see in the Mediterranean, he along with with France removed Gaddafi, replaced him with nothing, so now we have a failed state and criminal gangs running the country....with, best of all, Russia buying influence and attempting to build a naval base on its shore!

Really don't get the "Cameron is widely respected around the world..." is he fuck, gave us Brexit, despite the advice from Osbourne NOT to have a referendum, cozied up to the Chinese and embedded his party in Russian money.

Having lost the vote, he then resigned (ran away) after promising us all he wouldn't.

There are few politicians i have more contempt for.

In which case I suggest you take a look at the current polls.

This is of course, last month's news, when we know that a week is a long time in politics.

It will be interesting to see whether bringing back 'Call me Dave' aka Lord Snooty will improve the Tories fortunes.

In which case I suggest you take a look at the current polls.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

I somewhat doubt having a former Senior Minister rubbishing the Prime Minister is going to help the Tories electoral chances.

Yes, I'd rather have David Cameron as Foreign Secretary than have one of the ERG extremists setting off World War III between now and the next General Election.

OK an ERG extremist would fan the flames to set off WW3. By contrast Cameron would probably do that by accident, as he accidentally caused us to leave the EU.

Despite some claims that the EU was a big issue, until the Referendum the vast majority of people in the UK didn't think it was.

Which makes the reason for enobling David Cameron ("we need his experience") all the more painful.

Whilst the economy needed fixing when Cameron became PM- his party ruined public services to a point they they still haven’t recovered from.

Wasn’t it something like 20 thousand police officers they got rid of ?
And in their wisdom offered redundancy to thousands of prisoner officers who jumped ship before it sank.
Result was massive loss of experience that will never be recovered.

Yes, I'd rather have David Cameron as Foreign Secretary than have one of the ERG extremists setting off World War III between now and the next General Election.

Every government becomes unpopular eventually. After 13/18 years they run out of ideas. Red tops like the Sun turn against them.
18 years of the Tories and 13 of Labour. The cycle continues.

Labour actually got less votes after each GE they won. Landslide in 1997, less votes in 2001, even less in 2005.

Voted out in 2010.

I don’t think Labour have it in the bad just yet. But the Tories will lose their big majority.

So do you think that is Rishi’s strategy? To use the next year to get closer to the EU again all in the name of worldwide stability concerns and Cameron will be the spokesperson?! If the EU know that there is in most likelihood an imminent change of Government they won’t engage.

What worries me the most is that the only thing that would help the Tory party with next year’s election is WW3.

So he's returned to put it right ?

This is now Rish! new problem. If we have to have this unelected tosspot in our government then he starts by cleaning up his own mess. It really is the least he can do.

And that would the question put to him in every interview until it's done if we didn't have a comedy media in this country to report on our comedy government.

The thing is he made it bad by appeasing and then letting in the nutter/machiavellian right wingers/whingers and then fucking off himself in the wake of the devastation.

It's an incredibly low bar but I was glad to see him. He's not as bad as what we've had since (I am very left).

The meeting with the Indian Foreign Minister must have been in the diary for months.

I doubt the timing of the reshuffle was based on the dates of his visit to London. And as Mr Jaishankar is actually already here as the official guest of the government (probably with a pretty full programme) they couldn't really have snubbed him by pulling his meeting with his counterpart

There are plenty of countries around the world that would read that analysis, and them go:

"And your point is ?"

Brexit has allowed the UK to become just another country. We always were anyway, but at least there were some ups to the downs. Way to go brexiteers.

So Cameron’s first meeting as FS yesterday was with India. Interesting on multiple levels and increases my suspicion that we are about to see an escalation in corruption.

When DC was PM, he met Sunak’s FIL on a trade mission in India. Shortly after, Sunak, who had only been in politics 5 mins, was parachuted into one of the countries safest seats.

Sunak was then gifted the Chancellor role at the behest of Cummings(unelected), where he made a few decisions benefitting his family. He wanted a trade deal with India but it didn’t work out as the Indian’s wanted waived visas for their people whilst being strongly protectionist themselves. A situation which would never be tolerated in the hard right version of the Tory party.

In the meantime, Sunak’s FIL makes statements around removing workers rights. Apparently 70 he working weeks should be the norm.

Cameron (unelected) is then gifted a Lordship at the behest of Sunak (unelected PM). His first meeting is with India. This is a man who’s been involved in corruption. Note that as a Lord, he’s not answerable to the commons.

Sunak and Cameron scratching each others back for the financial benefit of their families.

Aren't you delighted we are no longer under the thumb of unelected bureaucrats?

Decided that we did not need to invest in manufacturing industry, as that was a thing of the past?

I think you’ll find that was Thatcher. Far be it from me to defend Dave but let’s not accuse him of stuff he hasn’t done, there’s plenty he is responsible for to go at.

Strings are being pulled. This wasn't a Rish! idea. Like the Windsor framework.

Nothing to do with saving the country. This is purely the Tory party in survival mode.

Maybe there are lots more suitable candidates Paul2023 but none of them are in the rancid Tory party. At least when DC trots off abroad there's a chance that those he's meeting will know who he is rather than someone to hand their coat to. What a shower.

This isn’t my opinion but from another website;

Not the same Cameron who:

Decided that we did not need to invest in manufacturing industry, as that was a thing of the past?
Thought we could cosy up to Moscow and China as one party states led by dictators are the way forward?
Delayed spending on power generation infrastructure?
Delayed spending decisions relating to the deterrent?
Thought the era of conventional conflict was over and decided we no longer needed the things we have committed to NATO?
Overruled civil servants who told him not to put public money in Kid's Company - even if he was impressed by Mrs Blobby?
Was unable to tell the truth on matters as simple as buying a pasty at a railway station?

FFS! There must be lots of more suitable candidates.

I’ve just been listening to The Today Podcast it’s very clear no one had an inkling of this at all the top political journalists were not in the know (I’m sure many feel quite put out)

that’s very unusual for such big news to not leak

and very very different from what was happening under Boris Johnson’s time as PM

i think Rishi Sunak has possibly made quite a good move here to move away from the right of the party

With the dozens of ministers required to fill all of the vacancies, approximately 20-25% of the 350 are required.
As a serious question, do we think that (in modern politics) there is enough quality to find that number of people?

Anyone is an improvement on Braverman though. And Boris must be spitting chips.

Well said @Throwhandsupintheair