Dave is Back!!!

Cameron and May fucked the police service. Brought in the Winsor report , completely angered the whole service and cut 20 thousand jobs.

Logic is not necessarily Sunak's forte.
He spent August shouting about Stop the Boats, then when September arrived announced a series of policies to increase global migration.

It’s actually pretty shambolic bringing back Cameron. Making him a Lord just so he can get a job back in the Cabinet.
I really can’t see Sunaks logic with this..

Its not just the Find out Now poll, since it was carried out People Polling and Yougov have also had polls showing a drop in support for the Tories.

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/

Blip or trend, I'm not convinced yet, but perhaps sufficient evidience to conclude the weekends events have led to a bounce.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12756791/No-bounce-Rishi-Sunak-big-reshuffle-bringing-David-Cameron-poll-shows-Labour-lead-surging-27-points-Tory-support-just-19.html

Looks like the guardian angel of the Tory party is still waving their wand.

Obviously any Rwanda legislation will still fail in the courts. Which means the Tories are going to have to make withdrawing from the ECHR a key (maybe the key) manifesto pledge and thus add the the list of reasons people won't vote for them.

This will keep them out of power - but alive - to scam another day.

If they were in any real danger of winning the election, I'd be curious how they could be saved.

This is basically the same dread hand that evicted Thatcher. Because if she hadn't gone, there would be no Tory party now.

He scuttled off as a failure, which prevented him from getting global gigs like Blair and Major.
He will use his clean slate to do work with Ukraine and Israel to try to polish up his tarnished brand.

Yes @AllPowerfulLizardPerson For me it boils down to

Do we want 5 more years of the same spiral of decline, wasted money, and corruption of the last 13 years and for things to continue to get even ^worse?

Or do we want to give someone else a go?
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My bottom line is

Who can win in this constituency?
Which one of them isn't a Tory?
Vote for that one.

He certainly wasn't the architect of Brexit. He actively told people to vote remain. He was forced into the referendum by other people in the party - their support for him was probably conditional on

The mistake was putting it in the Conservative election manifesto because he believed it was going to be another hung Parliament so he could then say "look swivel-eyed loons, I tried but the Lib Dems won't let me do it". That miscalculation was his downfall because - as you say - when he won a majority the loons would have replaced him as leader if he has refused to hold the referendum per the manifesto.

Yes, he was made a Lord so he could be in the cabinet as First Secretary of State (which isn't always a position that's filled, there currently isn't one).

Simultaneously also Business Secretary during the financial crisis.

It is allowed, I think thatcher did it as well with someone in her cabinet. But in my (inexpert) opinion, it should be allowed. He won't be answerable in the House of Commons

And Brown with Mandelson.

Only chance in hell he'll ever have of getting a peerage, so I guess he figured 6 months of work for that was a good deal.

That has a depressing ring of truth to it

But still worth voting, for the least worst

Not really, we have one party that has proved under multiple leaderships they’re weak and corrupt. On multiple occasions.

Then we have a party that is under leadership that is yet untested.

I know which one I’d take a punt on.

Good point regarding the US elections. Their election for the next president is November 2024. The new president, starts January 2025 as is their four year term tradition.

The UK GE must take place by December 2024. So it could be close to the US elections.

Hopefully May 2024 then.

If that’s what you really think you’re not paying attention.

And yes it is.

No we don't.

Agreed.

It's possible he feels guilty, but he was briefing a few months ago that he was bored so it might just be that.

“We basically now have two identical parties lead by insipid leaders. Not much point voting.”

There is always a point in voting. We need grown up moderate leaders now, especially if there is a real risk of Trump getting back into power in the US. Because if Trump gets in we need to pull our weight internationally.

For that reason alone, the Tories should run a May election so that we have a proper government by the time the US election is run. In case Trump does win, as currently predicted.

I wonder whether David Cameron genuinely feels guilty and if he wants to make up somehow. His brother died recently at a relatively young age, he also lost his father and obviously a young child. Coupled with the many mistakes he has made I hope he is back to try to do better. The recent corporate scandal was also pretty embarrassing. Dave must realise now that he should not have quit, to avoid a hard Brexit.

So I think if Rishi tries to form a more moderate opposition that is a good thing. At least give us that much, is my thinking.

2010-15 only worked because being in coalition meant headbanger wing had less influence than they do when the party are in government alone. That old pragmatic Toryism seems to have disappeared from their party DNA.

And it left our actual centrist party shafted.

I think people still don't appreciate what a moderating influence the LibDems were during that Parliament.

We basically now have two identical parties lead by insipid leaders. Not much point voting.

I think there should be a general election now.

If you can't form a government out of 350 MPs then you can't form a government, and should call a general election.

None of this getting a ringer in and making him a Lord to make it legal.

So much of our country's trajectory is caused by Tory in-fighting.

The biggest millstone lately of course being Brexit.