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partner won't commit due to finances

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artattack1 · 09/11/2023 08:28

We've been together a few years, I brought up marriage and children a year ago and received a not ready yet. I waited another year and I brought it up because I've just been getting frustrated at nothing. We've lived together a few years (renting), I'm approaching mid 30s and running out of time.
Partner has zero debt and a good amount of savings, which is great. He works in a min wage job ATM and isn't sure what to do. His degree is in a creative area which is hard to make into a full-time career.
He said this week that he found the prospect of marriage and the expectations of it daunting but that he does want to marry me. I said I'd be more than happy with a registry office, I have zero interest in a big wedding day, I've made this very clear.
I don't see how his current job means we can't get engaged, I have no interest in an expensive ring etc. I want marriage for what it represents.
He said he wants to be sure he can provide for a child which is totally understandable. We both work full time and I have a very good maternity leave package, flexible working etc.
I said to him I'm not prepared to hang around for years longer waiting, I made my fertility issue very clear.
He does seem to understand that and said I won't be waiting years.
I asked him for complete honesty. I gave him very ample opportunity to say, sorry, not for me, I don't want these things yet. He insisted he wants marriage and children with me.
I totally understand he wants to be earning above min wage. There are many jobs out there which may not be his dream career, but they'll pay a bit more and are stable. However he lacks motivation to do the applications. I'm scared we will be in this position a year from now and I said this to him. He kept saying he doesn't know what to say. I just don't know what to do.

OP posts:
tabulaisrasa · 09/11/2023 11:26

Bow out. You will regret it if you don't.

YouJustDoYou · 09/11/2023 11:22

ToadOnTheHill · 09/11/2023 11:18

End it. He is lying.

And if he isnt then it will be the shock he needs to pull his finger out. It's the only way to make him drive the change.

If he is approaching 40 and in a minimum wage job, coasting along and not even applying himself to achieve the things he says he wants in life and work then he isnt a catch and is unsuitable father material. Even if you wheedle marriage and babies out of him he will never be an inspiring, exciting partner and dad.

He screams a lack of ambition. Do better.

Edited

This as well.

YouJustDoYou · 09/11/2023 11:21

My friend hung around after he kept insisting "yes of course I want marriage and kids!". He never married her, left her and got married to the new girlfriend within a year. She never had kids. Don't be her. Leave him now, not in a year's time, now.

ToadOnTheHill · 09/11/2023 11:18

End it. He is lying.

And if he isnt then it will be the shock he needs to pull his finger out. It's the only way to make him drive the change.

If he is approaching 40 and in a minimum wage job, coasting along and not even applying himself to achieve the things he says he wants in life and work then he isnt a catch and is unsuitable father material. Even if you wheedle marriage and babies out of him he will never be an inspiring, exciting partner and dad.

He screams a lack of ambition. Do better.

Readingineading · 09/11/2023 11:13

He just doesn't want to op.
I was with my partner for 6 years , had 2 dc together, both thought marrige was " just a piece of paper "
I realised how precarious my position was and the legal implications if we were to split, plus I adore him.
I told him this and we were married 4 months later. If a man wants to marry you then they will

MargotBamborough · 09/11/2023 11:04

Fififafa · 09/11/2023 11:02

I wasn’t commenting on the OPs particular situation but was replying to the poster who said “if a man is serious, he’d marry a woman within a couple of years”. I was commenting on that generalization and pointed out that other factors may make that timeframe unrealistic.

Yes, but factors actually relevant to the OP - such as her age and desire for children - make his timeframe unrealistic.

Fififafa · 09/11/2023 11:02

MargotBamborough · 09/11/2023 10:50

They don't have children.

Wanting children is the reason the OP hasn't got time to waste waiting for him to get his shit together.

I wasn’t commenting on the OPs particular situation but was replying to the poster who said “if a man is serious, he’d marry a woman within a couple of years”. I was commenting on that generalization and pointed out that other factors may make that timeframe unrealistic.

Fififafa · 09/11/2023 11:00

BeingGivenMoney · 09/11/2023 10:47

Well that’s completely different to OP’s situation so it isn’t relevant at all.

I imagine the poster you are quoting was making her comment specifically in relation to the relationship and lifestyle circumstances that the OP and her boyfriend are in.

Well yes, I was replying to the poster who said “if a man is serious, he’d marry a woman within a couple of years”. I was commenting on that generalization and pointed out that other factors may make that timeframe unrealistic.

ThomasinaLivesHere · 09/11/2023 10:59

What practical steps is he taking to better his work situation? If he’s just talking but doing nothing then I would expect he’ll be giving you the same excuse in 6 months.

Olika · 09/11/2023 10:55

Being mid 30s you cannot keep waiting for him to be ready. He has other needs (establishing himself) whereas you have marriage and children and have less time left so it's not going to work out

MargotBamborough · 09/11/2023 10:50

Fififafa · 09/11/2023 10:42

It’s not as simple as that. What if one or both are divorcees? Or have children to consider? Assets?

They don't have children.

Wanting children is the reason the OP hasn't got time to waste waiting for him to get his shit together.

BeingGivenMoney · 09/11/2023 10:47

Fififafa · 09/11/2023 10:42

It’s not as simple as that. What if one or both are divorcees? Or have children to consider? Assets?

Well that’s completely different to OP’s situation so it isn’t relevant at all.

I imagine the poster you are quoting was making her comment specifically in relation to the relationship and lifestyle circumstances that the OP and her boyfriend are in.

Fififafa · 09/11/2023 10:42

JustAMinutePleass · 09/11/2023 08:59

In my opinion if a man’s serious about marrying you, he’ll discuss it seriously within a year and you’ll be married by two. Don’t waste your time with him.

It’s not as simple as that. What if one or both are divorcees? Or have children to consider? Assets?

harriethoyle · 09/11/2023 10:35

If he wanted to marry you, he would. My now DH and I knew within weeks of meeting that we would get married, despite living in different countries, having to navigate blended families, neither job ideally suiting long distance...

He's stringing you along.

Kittylala · 09/11/2023 10:33

This was us! He just would not commit. We met at uni. I waited nearly 10 years for a baby. We travelled/finished uni. Then 9th year I was ready to walk. I asked him for a baby one more time and he said yes.
Now we have 3 beautiful kids and moved to Europe! He's a wonderful guy, amazing father I'm pleased we aren't married now as we have our own finances and property (cheap here)
We have been through hell and back. It was all worth it!

Jewelspun · 09/11/2023 10:33

He could sort his life out today but instead is keeping you dangling.

He's wasting your time.

Be prepared that when you split he will meet someone almost immediately and get married and have children very quickly. That's the usual turn of events.

Gillypie23 · 09/11/2023 10:25

Don't waste your life on this guy. He's lying to you.

RenoDakota · 09/11/2023 10:22

ChristmasFluff · 09/11/2023 10:11

You do know what to do, you just don't want to do it. He's already given you your answer.

And that answer will NEVER change:

Absolutely spot on.

SecondUsername4me · 09/11/2023 10:21

He can say anything he likes. But his actions don't seem to match, and it's his actions which show his true feelings.

Frogglingalong · 09/11/2023 10:20

JustAMinutePleass · 09/11/2023 10:05

30 isn’t too young for marriage and kids. Most of the young men I know now are married by 25-28 and having kids by 30. This isn’t an age thing. There are no excuses for him stringing you along. As I and others have said if you don’t want to ruin your chances of having a baby get out now.

Don't know who these guys are in terms of region, education, class etc but I'm 34, got married at 30, baby this year. Husband is 3 years older than me. Most of my friends aren't married yet and don't have children yet, while my husband is right in the middle of his friendship group (some got married 3- 5 years before us, some a couple of years after us, a couple have kids now). Most from middle class backgrounds, often postgraduate degrees. People expect a certain lifestyle before having children, and especially to own a house usually in the south east or affluent cities, and everything gets pushed later and later. I'm not saying this is a good thing or sensible! But almost everyone I know has had a similar path

BeingGivenMoney · 09/11/2023 10:19

ChristmasFluff · 09/11/2023 10:11

You do know what to do, you just don't want to do it. He's already given you your answer.

And that answer will NEVER change:

That video is hilarious! Brilliant!

I’m not sure the OP will enjoy it as much as I did though…

MargotBamborough · 09/11/2023 10:18

He doesn't want what you want.

Get out now while you still have time to meet and have children with someone else.

FrameItDelia · 09/11/2023 10:17

"He's had the job issues since I've been with him. I do understand, but there are many jobs out there which are salaried, full time etc"

And that right there is your answer, he is saying what you want to hear, but words mean nothing without action. If you want something you will find a way, if you don't you will make excuses. The job is his excuse. He is wasting your fertile years whilst he doesn't have a clock on his fertility.

If he wanted to marry you he would be online with you booking that registry office time slot. He isn't going to commit. I wonder what would happen tonight if you said let's book it now. That will tell you whether he is in or out.

EvelynKatie · 09/11/2023 10:14

Yeah sorry OP agree with others, even if he turns around now and says OK we'll get married at registry office etc. do you think he really wants it? Do you think he'd be the type after you then have a child to then leave anyway with the age old trope of "well you pressured me into marriage and kids I didn't want it etc etc."

molotovcupcakes · 09/11/2023 10:13

Among men aged 15–49 in 2015–2019, 55.2% had not fathered a biological child, and so this might realistically be the only chance that he gets to be a father.
55.2% do not get the chance as they mis-time their partners biologically fertile window or bail out when the woman wants a baby thinking that their will be endless chances further down the line, or they don't want children.
The lack of a 'deadline' for men means that they can miss out on what is an experience that is hugely benificial to men and it sound like your partner has this attitude.
I think that you need to make things move on or bale out as he will just coast along.

Maybe show him this graph?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.medichecks.com%2Fblogs%2Ffertility%2Fage-and-fertility&psig=AOvVaw2qd7bbCyWnk_Q692UKpD8a&ust=1699610356020000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCKiGlJXUtoIDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE

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