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Feeling isolated by work colleagues

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mickey54 · 08/11/2023 20:26

AIBU for being so upset about a situation at work? I work in an office environment with 8 other people. Today two of the staff were discussing an outing they had arranged with the team in front of me, which transpired a WhatsApp group has been created by one said member of staff and I was the only one excluded then proceeded to discuss it in front of me.
this is the second time now that I have been excluded and then they have discussed it in front of me. I feel so upset that People are cruel and unkind. I told my manager I felt like I was being singled out. I must say this is a very clicky environment with several staff in a click so the whole situation is unpleasant. I just don’t know what to do or whether being upset is normal. It’s hard to think your colleagues must dislike you so much ! I don’t know what to do ? AIBu ??? X

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mickey54 · 09/11/2023 07:23

@Nocturna no, no big age difference and I feel it has been done in a malicious way as it’s been done twice now ☹️

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mickey54 · 09/11/2023 07:20

@Lochness1975 hi! I am older in 40’s but the group is a mixture of ages and no really young ones. It isn’t the point about really wanting to go it’s more being excluded and then rubbing it in, it feels in unkind way. Unfortunately this is not the first time and not just about this one situation ☹️

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mickey54 · 09/11/2023 07:18

@Romeiswheretheheartis no I meant to say they didn’t say you aren’t invited and no I didn’t ask didn’t want to look as if I was bothered when really I was!

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Romeiswheretheheartis · 09/11/2023 07:14

mickey54 · 08/11/2023 22:20

@Autiebibliophile I asked what they were talking about they told me but obv oh you aren’t invited 🤣 will speak to the manager I think, it’s very uncomfortable situation x

So they said directly to you 'Oh you aren't invited'? What did you say then to them - did you not ask why?

Lochness1975 · 09/11/2023 07:02

You haven’t been invited and not included, so if you went to your manager/HR and complained, what do you want to happen? An invite? Sod that. I wouldn’t want to go out with people who clearly didn’t want me there.

Also you say you have been there 20 years. Are you the same age? Or are they all in their early twenties? And yes this does make a difference. Are you settled in a relationship with children? And these are all single? Again it will make a difference to those going out- maybe they thought you wouldn’t go?

But ultimately what do you want to achieve? I personally go to work, get my work done and go home. I’ve only twice been out with a team I’ve worked with in 20+ years and that was twice to many! 😂

40thmonarch · 09/11/2023 06:59

I used to work in a large group of extremely friendly people until some new ones started who have a very different way of looking at things and have made it very clucky. Ignorance unfortunately.
If I aas the boss I would not allow it.

nottodaytomorrow · 09/11/2023 06:46

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 08/11/2023 22:31

How are they bullying? I'd think that the person saying 'invite me to your nights out or I'll get them stopped' is a bully.
So in this workplace is no-one permitted to talk about a social event if the entire office hasn't been invited?

Its actually ridiculous "bullying" 😂😂

nottodaytomorrow · 09/11/2023 06:45

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 08/11/2023 22:05

What outcome do you want?
Them told they have to invite you when they go out?
Them not being allowed to discuss out loud their socialising?
Them getting told by work they can't socialise unless they invite you?
I know it's not popular on mn to say but I don't think work/hr should get involved in people's friendship groups.

The fact they want to go to HR to report people's social life is probably the answer to why they don't get invited out.. People don't like the class snitch!!

OP i assume you are all adults and not 7 year olds?!?

whiteroseredrose · 09/11/2023 06:20

Are most of them younger than you?

Over the past couple of years we have had an influx of new starters in their 20s who go out at the weekends. I really wouldn't expect to be invited.

As long as everyone works together as a team in working hours that's all you can ask for.

LizzBurg · 09/11/2023 06:02

ManateeFair · 08/11/2023 23:46

I don't think it's so much the actual socialising that's the problem - as you say, you can't tell people who they can and can't have a drink with in their own time. But I think gleefully making plans for group outings, while in the office, in front of the one person who isn't invited, is actively making a point of letting someone know they've been deliberately excluded, and would certainly not meet the standards of professional behaviour towards colleagues that a lot of workplaces (including mine) would expect. There are groups of colleagues in my office who are mates outside work, but it's small groups here and there - they're not organising drinks and meals for everyone except one person, and then rubbing that person's nose in it.

If she’s not careful about how she handles things she could make things more difficult. Can you imagine getting called in by your boss or receiving an email telling you that you can’t discuss your social plans during working hours? What happens when you’re on your lunch break because you’re not on the clock then. I really don’t know what the OP is trying to achieve. Just go to work, do your job well and go home.

bananaxapple · 09/11/2023 00:38

Just because your colleagues have social groups and outings that doesn’t involve you doesn’t mean they “dislike” you, that is dramatic. I wouldn’t necessarily call it bullying either, considering they’re literally just chatting about their weekend plans and you’re in ear range.

I mean, what exactly do you want? Do you want them to invite you? For them to know that you know? To shut them up discussing it? If you’re upset over not being invited then that is extreme entitlement in my opinion and tattling to your manager feels even more questionable. No one is obligated to involve you, and then having to not talk about it around you to be frank, is just laughable. You’re an adult.

SheSaidHummingbird · 08/11/2023 23:51

ManateeFair · 08/11/2023 23:36

Yeah, because when someone's feeling really upset because they're being excluded and bullied, correcting a minor spelling mistake is really going to make them feel better, isn't it?

I mean, I'm sure you come in your pants every time you have a chance to correct someone in public, but maybe just give it a rest for a bit.

Thank you for saving me from myself

ManateeFair · 08/11/2023 23:46

LizzBurg · 08/11/2023 22:37

I don’t accept this there are people in my office that go out together and if I don’t get invited it’s not a big deal. They’re not paid to socialise with me. Likewise I’ll go out with friends from my old team and I heard that my old boss actually asked one of the team why she wasn’t invited! I didn’t invite her because she was the supervisor and not one of the team and a couple of the people still working with her asked for her not to come so they could relax. It wasn’t done out of spite. Whoever co workers choose to spend their time with is their business.

I don't think it's so much the actual socialising that's the problem - as you say, you can't tell people who they can and can't have a drink with in their own time. But I think gleefully making plans for group outings, while in the office, in front of the one person who isn't invited, is actively making a point of letting someone know they've been deliberately excluded, and would certainly not meet the standards of professional behaviour towards colleagues that a lot of workplaces (including mine) would expect. There are groups of colleagues in my office who are mates outside work, but it's small groups here and there - they're not organising drinks and meals for everyone except one person, and then rubbing that person's nose in it.

39and · 08/11/2023 23:43

Are you older than them? It could be that. They sound a bit mean not inviting you but I wouldn't class it as bullying. I've been at my job 10 years and I think some people socialise without me. I'm glad as I don't want to spend the rare time I have off work with my colleagues. Just be polite and leave it at that

ManateeFair · 08/11/2023 23:36

SheSaidHummingbird · 08/11/2023 21:55

Clique

Yeah, because when someone's feeling really upset because they're being excluded and bullied, correcting a minor spelling mistake is really going to make them feel better, isn't it?

I mean, I'm sure you come in your pants every time you have a chance to correct someone in public, but maybe just give it a rest for a bit.

devildeepbluesea · 08/11/2023 23:23

Gettingbysomehow · 08/11/2023 21:34

I've long learned that if I work in a toxic environment the best course of action is to find another job.

Yes I’m afraid I agree. This is clearly bullying, but if the company don’t appear keen to tackle it you don’t really have anywhere to go with this (procedure wise, you’d need to raise a grievance, which is quite likely
to be not upheld, which means you’re left with resigning and claiming constructive dismissal - notoriously difficult to win).

I work in HR and if I hear of this sort of thing in my organisation I want to know about it - but
unfortunately I think I’m in the minority. Which is odd, when you think about it.

Agapornis · 08/11/2023 23:19

Organise your own thing, inviting only your fellow old guard who've been ignoring the invitation. Then make sure you talk about all the fun you had Grin

Nocturna · 08/11/2023 23:10

Is there a big age difference? Just wondering if they are a youngish bunch of newbies who enjoy going out together and haven’t invited you if you’re from a different generation?
I suspect there is no malice involved, but they need to be reminded about tact and consideration

Silverfoxette · 08/11/2023 23:05

I had this when I started my current job. The manager was as bad as the rest of them! Because I’m part time and work from home a couple of days , she would organise team building lunches out at nice restaurants for the days I was working at home deliberately so that there would be someone to cover phones while they were out stuffing their faces. I kicked off big time as I started feeling more and more excluded and she eventually copped on and stopped but the exclusion from other staff continued. Considering leaving now because I feel left out of any conversations.
so my advice would be to look for something else

mickey54 · 08/11/2023 23:03

@LadyWithLapdog yes I agree and if weren’t discussing it in front of me I’d be none the wiser which is totally fine with me 👍

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KateofGhent · 08/11/2023 23:02

RedHelenB · 08/11/2023 21:58

Just because you work together doesn't mean that you have to socialise together. Let them get on with it.

Completely agree, just bring a book or a newspaper in for breaks, then it doesn't matter you are being left out, you can escape by reading.

mickey54 · 08/11/2023 23:02

@AnneLovesGilbert she will address it with the said ring leader and discuss about it not being appropriate I think something like that

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LadyWithLapdog · 08/11/2023 22:54

They sound really unpleasant and I wouldn’t want to socialise with them. They shouldn’t feel obliged to invite you, but also shouldn’t be discussing it in work time. It would be different if it was chatting about a company-wide event.

AnneLovesGilbert · 08/11/2023 22:50

You said in your OP that you told your manager, what did he/she say about it?

mickey54 · 08/11/2023 22:46

@Thinblueglass thank you for the advice 👍

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