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Parking and Neighbour

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PeaceGoodMercutio · 07/11/2023 11:18

Who is being unreasonable, me or my neighbour?
The space in blue is a "shared access driveway" but part of it outlined in red is owned by us.
We park in our parking bay (23). Our neighbour (24)keeps parking where the yellow box is on my picture, which blocks access to our drive and stops us being able to get out.
She says so does this because she says she should be able to get into her drive without doing any manoeuvres (no idea what she means) and she has to be able to get up close to our back gate.
She has two spaces, and if she has a visitor she parks in the yellow rectangle. Sometimes she parks there anyway. (Sometimes her visitor parks on our drive) .
Is she allowed to park in the yellow rectangle when it blocks our private parking spaces?
Also, am I allowed to park where the pink car is or does it block her parking spaces?

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DarkwingDuk · 11/11/2023 16:18

Nobody should be parking in the shared access area.

Jeannie88 · 09/11/2023 20:12

Can't see any pictures but from.what you say, these places are allocated to ease problems for all so she should be using them and not making up her own rules. Oh my word, one shouldn't have to manoeuvre to get out of drive? Any turn of the wheel is a manoeuvre, not hard, respect others! Why do some people have to be a total pita? X

Isinglass20 · 09/11/2023 20:02

Shared drive way for access for fire or ambulance with no parking. If she’s awkward parallel park next to her car and block her in or skilfully manoeuvre to get herself out 🤣🤣

Evan456 · 09/11/2023 19:14

Block her in, park in her space

Holidayhell22 · 09/11/2023 18:50

When are people going to stop buying ridiculously big cars?
Tough luck if she can’t park her car.
I do think you should both stick to parking in your allocated spots.
It’s not your problem if she is draft enough to buy a car she can’t park though.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 09/11/2023 10:21

OP posted an updated diagram later on. Her screenshot was potentially outing.

YerArseInParsley · 09/11/2023 09:18

Where's the picture?

purplehair1 · 08/11/2023 22:44

Can’t see a diagram?

Thekirit · 08/11/2023 21:38

@Deathbyfluffy has an interesting and it sounds effective plan OP

PepeLePugh · 08/11/2023 20:30

@2jacqi The OP has also shaded red underneath the green area if you look at her diagram. Ownership and access are separate things- OP may own the land shaded green but she has to allow access therefore cannot block or fence off the land that she owns.

2jacqi · 08/11/2023 19:26

PepeLePugh · 07/11/2023 16:12

The neighbour is allowed access to the shared driveway so that she can get her car in and out so OP would not be able to fence off the land. However, whilst neighbour has access, she is not allowed to park.

@PepeLePugh doesnt all the green belong to OP?? Looks like the red shading only is the shared access!

Deathbyfluffy · 08/11/2023 18:59

I’d be parking in the space that she’s blocking in, then getting up at 4am to go out shopping at the local 24 hour Asda - she’ll have to move her car.

That’ll get the message across pretty quickly - I had a neighbour that did this and me waking their whole family (including baby) several times a week sorted it.

gotmychristmasmiracle · 08/11/2023 18:56

MrsMoastyToasty · 08/11/2023 18:46

If she can't do manoeuvres then she shouldn't be driving!

Yeah it buyer a smaller car 🤣 imagine using the excuse that her cars to big 🤦‍♀️

towriteyoumustlive · 08/11/2023 18:51

@PeaceGoodMercutio

This is quite clear from your hand drawn diagram and a very common set up.

Your neighbour has right of way over the hatched area that you own, but needs to park on their own driveway.

You will find in both sets of deeds (can be downloaded for about £3) that no parking is allowed in the hatched area so you can both manoeuvre into your own parking spaces. Your neighbour will have right of way over it, but absolutely not to park on it.

One house is usually given ownership so that they can take responsibility to maintain the driveway.

We have similar and cannot park on the back of our driveway as two neighbours have ROW over it, although can park 3 or 4 cars depending on how close to the garage we park.

MrsMoastyToasty · 08/11/2023 18:46

If she can't do manoeuvres then she shouldn't be driving!

gotmychristmasmiracle · 08/11/2023 18:34

Just seen your drawing , think I would just have a chat with her about it and explain you can't get on your driveway was she aware it's obstruction. If she's still being a funny bugger then I think I would just park next to her car instead as you can't get on the drive. Park really close to annoy her.

saffy2 · 08/11/2023 17:05

PeaceGoodMercutio · 07/11/2023 13:17

Hand drawn, not an artist.

That’s total insanity for her to park there. I imagine why she means by no manoeuvres is that in that place she can drive straight in and not turn again. But she’s being completely unreasonable.

Noseyoldcow · 08/11/2023 15:53

If you share a driveway with your neighbour(s), no one should park in such a way that access is obstructed. The suggestion up thread that you have an informal agreement to swap spaces isn't a bad one provided her rotten parking won't obstruct you getting in and out of those spaces - you don't really want to fall out over this, as after all you do have to carry on living next door to each other at least for now. The fact she can't/doesn't want to manoeuvre is pretty typical of the driving you see these days, and is quite scary. If they "park" like that, how safe are they on the open road? One of our neighbours is so bad, we call her "the Parker". She's not averse to manoeuvring at all. She's not capable of driving straight into her space from a plenty wide enough road, she goes in and out like a fiddlers elbow, and even then she never leaves the car straight or even neatly within her space. Don't know how the neighbouring space holders put up with it, I wouldn't.

PepeLePugh · 08/11/2023 14:50

gotmychristmasmiracle · 08/11/2023 14:39

@PepeLePugh

Probs this, he went into a massive scenario about what happens when/if- unfortunately most new builds now have shared driveways.

I suspect the actual reason your other half avoids buying anywhere with shared access is that enforcing the no parking on shared access driveways can be timely and expensive if you have to go down the legal route to enforce your rights.

They can work if everyone respects the shared access but all it takes is the wrong neighbour and it can be incredibly stressful and time-consuming to resolve. I haven't ever had a shared access driveway but I have lived in a terrace house with a right of access through my neighbours garden before and some people think they can just do what they like and block access because they don't like it. People need to really understand what they are taking on when they buy properties with rights of way.

Readingallnight · 08/11/2023 14:47

PepeLePugh · 08/11/2023 14:24

This is nonsense. You are not allowed to park on shared access and if your other half thinks this then they are not a very good solicitor.

I suspect the actual reason your other half avoids buying anywhere with shared access is that enforcing the no parking on shared access driveways can be timely and expensive if you have to go down the legal route to enforce your rights.

Absolutely @PepeLePugh
You can only stop on an access route if you’re dropping off / picking up etc for a short period of time. A matter of minutes or whatever is determined reasonable.
If the neighbour was moving house and needed longer, for example, they would have to ask the owner of the land permission.

gotmychristmasmiracle · 08/11/2023 14:39

@PepeLePugh

Probs this, he went into a massive scenario about what happens when/if- unfortunately most new builds now have shared driveways.

I suspect the actual reason your other half avoids buying anywhere with shared access is that enforcing the no parking on shared access driveways can be timely and expensive if you have to go down the legal route to enforce your rights.

Daffodilsandtuplips · 08/11/2023 14:31

gotmychristmasmiracle · 08/11/2023 14:14

As far as I am aware shared driveway anyone can park on, that is why my other half who is a solicitor will never buy a property with a shared driveway.

This isn’t a shared driveway though, it’s shared ingress and egress. No one should be using it to park on except for the driveways allocated to each property.
Im in agreement with your DH though, We will never buy another property on a private road with this kind of set up. It’s been great Since our new neighbour moved in but it could have gone the other way.
Our road has three houses on it, we are in the middle. Our council won’t adopt a road with less than four houses on it each property owner has to maintain the road, the house on the end nearest the main road, (house No. 1) would pay less than us, )we are No 2,) we pay less than no. 3 at the head of the cul de sac but more than no 1,. No 3 pays the mist because he uses more of the road than we do.

PepeLePugh · 08/11/2023 14:24

gotmychristmasmiracle · 08/11/2023 14:14

As far as I am aware shared driveway anyone can park on, that is why my other half who is a solicitor will never buy a property with a shared driveway.

This is nonsense. You are not allowed to park on shared access and if your other half thinks this then they are not a very good solicitor.

I suspect the actual reason your other half avoids buying anywhere with shared access is that enforcing the no parking on shared access driveways can be timely and expensive if you have to go down the legal route to enforce your rights.

gotmychristmasmiracle · 08/11/2023 14:14

As far as I am aware shared driveway anyone can park on, that is why my other half who is a solicitor will never buy a property with a shared driveway.

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