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Making DD do housework

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AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 02:15

So my DD disengaged from education at 16. The country we live in has mandatory education up to 18, and there was a lot of active input to try to get her back to school. My GP said to me that I need to make it so that either education or employment is better than being at home!

Right now, she can’t keep her bedroom tidy, we live in a relatively new house and she’s had mould growing on the (internal) walls and the inside of the windows (which I had to clean as she refused and at the end of the day, it’s my house that is being ruined). She doesn’t put rubbish in the bin, she doesn’t put clothes in for washing, she never changes her bed sheets, she doesn’t brush her teeth, she doesn’t shower. She says she can’t get a job or do a college course because she has anxiety, for which she is medicated, when she bothers to take the medication and she literally spends all day (and night) in her room, watching films, chatting to her friends or trying on outfits and doing make up.

A couple of months ago, I told her that I would take her devices away until her room was clean and she snuck out of the house, sent a text that she was in a “safe” place, said she didn’t feel safe at home and went off for a week, where we didn’t know where she was, so we left her to her own devices. She returned home, said that she owned her devices and that if we took them off her, then she would call the police as that’s theft. To which I said that we (her dad and I) paid for her SIM card, bought her the phone and laptop, paid for everything for her, including her clothes and the broadband she uses, and should we be calling the police for her essentially stealing our SIM card and broadband? I said this to show her how ridiculous she was being.

Since then, I’ve managed to get her to change her bed sheets once, help me change my bed and launder my bedlinens twice and she’s also done her brother’s bedding once (he works a 40 hour week, which would be 42.5 hours but he gets a 30 minute meal break, and he works shifts. He also pays keep, as we pay for everything for him, except his smokes and clothes). She averages once a week for vacuuming common areas and mopping floors. Twice a month for cleaning her bathroom. The only thing I absolutely insist she does is hanging out the washing to dry, emptying and refilling the dishwasher, feeding the cats twice a day, and cleaning the litter boxes.

Last week, she said she was going to stay the night with her friend - she came back late Monday night after a week away. She then asked why neither DH or I had contacted her and DH said that we had been here and she should have contacted us to let us know she was staying away so long. She did phone me on her way home, saying she had missed me and could I collect her from the train station! DH went.

She can’t cook, even though I try to get her to help me in the kitchen and she says that she has an eating disorder, which the psychologist she has started seeing for her anxiety, told her that she has. A couple of years ago, she was seeing a counsellor about her refusal to go to school, and at that time, she came home saying that the counsellor (who isn’t allowed to diagnose anything due to only having a 1 year certificate from college) said that she had PTSD and ADHD (which she has never been diagnosed with, and that no one else has said either). She is having an assessment done to see if she has an eating disorder.

She has gone through a stage where she refused to eat with the family, but then I caught her eating late at night (think 2 am) and also eating lots of junk food (getting her friends to order her Uber eats in the middle of the night), but she will tell the GP, for example, that she doesn’t eat as she’s not hungry, and has no appetite.

There is no bullying or anything in her past, in fact she was a very popular girl with lots of friends and she did very well at school, although to hear her now, she can’t add up 2+2, doesn’t know how many grams in kilo, etc., etc., and I told DH that I think she has weaponised incompetence because things she could perfectly well, she will now say that she can’t do, and never has been able to do.

Anyway, this morning (Tuesday, I’m a lot ahead of the UK), she comes and says to me that she thought that everything would fall apart without her here as she’s the glue that holds the family and house together. To which I just stared at her, in disbelief and shook my head!

Both DH and I have refused to give her money, or buy clothes, makeup, hair dye etc., for her, and we’ve said she either goes back to her job (which was a casual job but she was being trained in lots of different areas, such as cashing up, etc., and didn’t have to restock shelves or anything like that, so not strenuous), finds another full time job, or goes back to education and gets a qualification (if you drop out of school before the end of the school year where you turn 18, you don’t get a qualification at all).

So, my dear fellow parents, am I being unreasonable with my demands of daily dishwashing emptying/refilling, laundry hanging out and bringing in, and cat care?

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decionsdecisions62 · 07/11/2023 04:22

I had one like this. In the end we had a major bust up. Her mess became intolerable as she hoarded too.

Now she has her own place, we go shopping for house items together ( have just been discussing which mop may be best), she cooks.

All I will say is to keep lines of communication open. Teenagers can test you to the limit. I knew living in the same house was unsustainable but I made sure she was financially ok. It allowed her to stand on her own feet.

I'm sure you will get the usual MN brigade saying it's about parenting but I like you have other teens that are angels.

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/11/2023 04:01

I agree that she should be helping, and that you can't make life with no purpose comfortable. But a teenage girl should not have to change a grown man's bedding. No.

Froooty · 07/11/2023 03:37

I think you might have more hope than I did for your DD. She's still socialising and going out and doing things (mine retreated). It was bloody hard for us to take away the creature comforts that mine was enjoying, but we stuck to the exact line, which was, we've offered you help to get work and that offer is still there, we've offered to help you get back into study and you refuse to do either, this was the deal we offered you and you have rejected it, so we're no longer giving you nice things for free.

It's not acceptable for you to sit around doing nothing and we won't help you do that.

Good luck. I hope things work out for you and your DD sees the light. xx

AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 03:25

@Froooty

Thank you for that information. I hadn’t heard of that but I’m going off to google that right now 🙂

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AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 03:24

@Froooty

I’m so sorry that you’ve had to deal with this. I don’t understand it because my other kids aren’t like this, just her. I would love to leave her incommunicado and will talk to DH when he’s home to see what he things. We can actually turn her access to everything on her phone off using the ISP app, so perhaps we should do this!

I have told her that I’m getting a sleep out (glorified shed) put in the garden and that will be her room, but she just moans and says that it’s because I don’t want her anymore and that I’m not normal for wanting to “throw her out”. Well, I’m not throwing her out at all, I’m simply removing her from the main house because I don’t want to deal with the mess, smell, and mould, that comes with housing her.

She will still have access to the house via the back door and as long as she doesn’t let the cats out, then she’ll be fine. She will still have electricity etc.

I’m just at the end of my tether! And I suspect she will end up like your daughter, as she doesn’t have qualifications to get a job anywhere, and most jobs like people to have at least their school leaving certificate, which she doesn’t have.

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Froooty · 07/11/2023 03:18

Doingmybest12 · 07/11/2023 03:05

I don't see why she would choose to live like this and therefore I would say she has some complicated issues. However it is right for you to continue to support her to engage with life and activities of daily living. I don't think she should be changing your bed or her brothers bed but the rest sounds reasonable as long as she sees others completing tasks too. I imagine it is upsetting and frustrating for you , and I hope she gets the intervention she needs and can can find the motivation to make use of this.

They adapt over time (it's called Hedonistic Adaption). There's one small downgrade that they don't like, but after a while it becomes normal and they accept it. Things get a bit dirtier and then they are used to it. Bit by bit. You take away their spending money, big deal, they learn how to sweet talk their friends or steal what they want. Teenagers will put up with incredibly gross and impoverished situations because it's going on gradually and they've already dug their heels in refusing to comply with whatever the parent asked right back at the beginning.

AIBUmum2023 · 07/11/2023 03:16

@Doingmybest12

She helped me with my bedding because I’m unable to manage it by myself sometimes (physical disability) but my bedding gets changed twice a week, so she doesn’t usually have to help me. And I got her to do her brother’s linens as she told me that she had nothing to do.

I’ve spent a lot of time and money taking her to specialists, mental health support, such as CAMHS, psychologists, etc., and the only diagnosis (so far) is anxiety.

Even when she was little, she hated putting her toys away, would empty every single toy box, jigsaw box, and game all over her bedroom floor, then not want to help me and her siblings to tidy up. So being tidy and neat doesn’t come naturally and she’s never been able to put one thing away, before getting another out.

Her clothes are just left to drop on the floor, and her wardrobe is only a quarter full - all other clothes are stuffed down the side and end of the bed, and I’m pretty sure that she doesn’t know what’s clean and what’s not. A few times she’s got dressed to go and meet her friends and her clothes are creased and stained. There is makeup all over the floor and the expensive desk she wanted is now covered in paint and glue.

That’s another thing. She says she can’t go out as she’s too anxious but she will make plans with friends and happily go on the bus and train to meet them!

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Froooty · 07/11/2023 03:15

Definitely not, I had one of those, this could have been me posting this! Everything was just too hard and to be brutally honest I really think that she just made no effort to help herself, and still doesn't.

Change the wifi password and remove her access to the internet. If you're paying for the phone plan, cancel that. "Grown up" girls who think they know the world can figure out how to pay for it themselves. In my case, I also removed my daughter from her bedroom and made it clear there are no free rides - I told her she wasn't out on the street but she hasn't held up her end of the bargain so no more private room (her bed was placed in the dining area).

I don't have a happy ending I'm afraid, all of these things didn't force DD to get her shit together, and after a failed move out (she messed up her part time job and I was stuck with the rent bills on her new flat) I told her she would need to leave. Fortunately (?) by telling them she was being evicted by me, the city we lived in then allocated her a "supported housing" temporary place for mental health and from there she has gone on to her own flat, still under care for her anxiety issues - she has still never held down a job ten years later but with all the love in the world it's not my job to support a kid in their late-20s, no matter how much I care about her.

Doingmybest12 · 07/11/2023 03:05

I don't see why she would choose to live like this and therefore I would say she has some complicated issues. However it is right for you to continue to support her to engage with life and activities of daily living. I don't think she should be changing your bed or her brothers bed but the rest sounds reasonable as long as she sees others completing tasks too. I imagine it is upsetting and frustrating for you , and I hope she gets the intervention she needs and can can find the motivation to make use of this.