FiL wants all our data

Not just you- I never remember birthdays!

I'm glad it's not just me.

I stuffed up a financial thing cos I couldn't remember my parents birthdays

From what I know of similar from family members, they already have your information. A previous partner had to also give details of our kink club exploits, but somehow they already knew it all. They wanted to check they are being honest. It's pretty normal procedure.

My dad wouldn’t have a clue- he doesn’t even know details of his own flipping life. I needed to know his and my mums wedding date and neither of them had a clue. We had to search their house for a wedding certificate which we didn’t find. In the end I had to message all their siblings to see if any of them could remember when and where my parents got married!

Honestly really it's just your dob and place of birth which any one with a good snoop of face book and LinkedIn would be able to tell him.
I couldn't get worked up over this .

I’ve never had to do that! Maybe I’m not reading it correctly 😬

My family have to give me this info for my job. Vetting needs redoing every so often. No one has ever had an issue with it

Ignore the silly responses saying it is sinister. It’s totally normal. And it can absolutely happen during a job role without any changes. They’re checking him out, not you. They just want details of anyone close to him who might blackmail him. depending on the level of security clearance (I suspect DV) they will interview some of you and ask, for example, if he’s gay. Obviously they’re not going to view someone negatively for being gay, but they will be checking your answers match up, to see how likely it is that he would be blackmailed. You are being very unreasonable if you don’t comply, because he could lose his job or be demoted at least.

I’ve held enhanced security clearance for many many years. They’re standard questions for any security check, and no, they don’t necessarily come to you direct. This is nothing new, either your relative started work in a more covert capacity (which they’re not going to tell anyone about) otitspzrt of the national review of security clearances.

Why would island girl bother to contact them to sort out a problem that isn’t hers.
As you say no one here has the power to update the system and I’m guessing no one is that invested, at the moment, to want or need to. Including Islandgirl who just gave her views, as is her right.

Therefore asking her to carry out a random task Is irrelevant, except for one up man ship.

You said it was time to update the process, and earlier that is was not good enough. Nobody here has that power to update the system, but UKSV do, so I've helped you by providing you the details. I bet they are jolly helpful if you contact them

It will be great to hear how you get on....

Good grief, it is a free world, and I can have an opinion which is logical and a commonsense opinion. And you are entitled to your opinion too so we agree to disagree.

There's very little point in telling us, some of us think it is fine, let United Kingdom Security Vetting know,
Their contact details are here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/united-kingdom-security-vetting-contact-us

Do come back and let us know how you got on.... If I ever have to apply for or renew a clearance I'll look forward to a significantly different process from now on

Oh good god. Ditto, It does not matter if that is how it works, I have the right to have the opinion that it not an appropriate way to collect personal data from a private individual, just because that is the way it is done does not make it right in 2023. Time to update the process to this century.

It’s probably been mentioned by someone else and it’s a long thread now, but very common for sensitive roles. I work in Intelligence for the police and vetted to a standard that I have to declare all family members, close associations, household members etc. we also declare all our finances, right down to store card balances as we are open to bribery due to the level of information we know.

OMFG!!!!

My husband has just had to do this to work on a goverment site. He even had to disclose details of our sex life, (if we are swingers for example) and passed relationships, while it's invasive its quite important for national security reasons.

Yes I have read all the posts.
If the information can be found, it can be found. However if handing it over is going to stress out the OP, ( or anyone else on here) then it’s up to them to deal with that.
As I said a caring FIL would understand this.
That level of understanding works both ways.

And if you'd read my messages, earlier I said she can refuse, and FIL will have to explain this on the form - but the data will still be found. All she will be doing is delaying and causing issues for a beloved FIL. And as many others have explained, just because she doesn't know he is moving roles or projects doesn't mean he isn't. If you care for FIL as she says, it's ridiculous to withhold the information from him.

Not sure government departments have that amount of human resource to be emailing an employees family & friends. It’s actually the person being vetted that is responsible for collecting the necessary data & passing it on

We had to provide all that and every address ever lived at and every school attended when our youngest adopted our grandson. That was for a very good cause and I had no probs supplying it (Also my other daughter and her husband had to provide same info)

I think you maybe missing the point of some MNs remarks.
Whilst they may understand that a FIL needs their personal information not everyone would necessarily want to part with all of that information.
They have that right.
Any caring FIL would understand this.

He’s a spook.

I can only relay what information I had to provide, and I was definitely asked about wider family, and friends, I didn’t live with.*🤷🏻‍♀️

Covered in these parts:

“Requests for further information: Occasionally, we may need to contact you by telephone, email or post to clarify information provided to us or request further information relevant to your circumstances. If you have provided more than one email address in your application, make sure you check each account regularly so that you can respond to any requests in a timely manner. If you do not respond to a request for further information your application may be cancelled.“

“A routine eSC, DV or eDV interview will cover all aspects of your life. At the interview, the vetting officer will build as complete a picture of you as possible. The purpose of this is so we can make an informed assessment that you will be able to cope with access to sensitive information or assets at the highest levels and will not become a security risk and a threat to national security.
Key themes include:

• your loyalty, honesty and reliability, and identifying any vulnerabilities that could lead you to being bribed or blackmailed
• your wider family background (relationships and influences)
• past experiences of drug taking (if any)
• financial affairs
• general political views
• foreign travel
• hobbies.

If you are asked to attend an interview in relation to a CTC, Level 1B or SC application, the interview will usually cover a specific area of your life, but may extend to include questions asked in a full DVinterview.”

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/united-kingdom-security-vetting-applicant

*I’m foreign to the US and UK, with foreign family and friends, which I know had significant impact.

This is standard procedure for certain positions even if they don’t appear high security to you. No the employer initially wont do they donkey work, why should they? The employee has to disclose details of certain family members. And it is unlikely that the employee can get hold of the data internally himself. Unless you have serious issues with your father in law, you would be very rude/unkind/inconsiderate to refuse. What do you have to loose? Unless, as I say, you don’t trust your father in law.