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Teacher continually getting DD’s name wrong

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Magicshoppingtrolley · 02/11/2023 19:24

DD mentioned when she started school last year that her English teacher was consistently getting her name wrong. I laughed it off saying she had lots of names to remember and I’m sure she would get there.

A year later and it’s continually happening. She teaches her 3 times a week so it’s not as though she rarely sees her, I’ve told DD to politely state what her name is each time she calls her by the wrong name. DD did so this week and was given a behaviour warning for being rude.

DD’s name is a standard name but not common so equivalent of the teacher calling her Jasmine when her name is Jennifer.

AIBU to say something to school or the teacher when we next have a parents evening?

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 03/11/2023 11:06

Jifmicroliquid · 03/11/2023 09:03

Completely unrealistic to remember that many names when some classes you only see for an hour once a week or fortnight.
You can still know exactly what someone is achieving and how they are progressing based on recognising them, but you might not instantly remember their name.

One year I taught 370 children, some I saw once a fortnight. Do you really expect a teacher with that number of children to know the names of absolutely every one by early November without making the occasional mix up?
Why do you think secondary school teachers print out class lists with the kids faces on? Because it is so difficult, on top of all your other responsibilities, to learn the name of absolutely everyone within the first term.

This is the 4th term, not the 1st. And a pupil the teacher sees 3 times a week, not once a fortnight.

saffronsoup · 03/11/2023 09:54

Jifmicroliquid · 03/11/2023 09:03

Completely unrealistic to remember that many names when some classes you only see for an hour once a week or fortnight.
You can still know exactly what someone is achieving and how they are progressing based on recognising them, but you might not instantly remember their name.

One year I taught 370 children, some I saw once a fortnight. Do you really expect a teacher with that number of children to know the names of absolutely every one by early November without making the occasional mix up?
Why do you think secondary school teachers print out class lists with the kids faces on? Because it is so difficult, on top of all your other responsibilities, to learn the name of absolutely everyone within the first term.

You can't tell how someone is progressing or achieving if you don't know their name. Records are name based so you can't translate your observations to a specific individual or record. Sure you might know that the kid with brown hair who wears pink bows all the time never pays any attention in class and seems overly distracted and doesn't interact with others but since you haven't got a clue who that child actually is and don't know their name, there is really nothing you can do with that information. When a parent calls about Julia - you don't know who that is so you can't report your observations, when you are writing reports, you have no idea what report you would put that on. If the headmaster asks you if you have had any issues with Julia, all you can do is say no idea who Julia is - sorry. When the children in your class are nameless to you, there is really no relationship. You can't call on anyone, you can't put kids in specific groups, you can't support them as an indivudal, you can't do much. And while you can give information - that isn't really teaching. When you are so disinterested in who someone is (that you interact with often) that you don't bother to learn their name, they may do self directed learning, but you aren't going to contribute much. Same as if you taught in a school for the year and the headmaster never learned your name, didn't have a clue who you were other to recognize you as a teacher who is employed in that school despite seeing you day in / day out or week in / week out - you aren't going to see them a real contributor to your teaching experience.

ScotchPine · 03/11/2023 09:42

When I was a teacher, I used to use the register as an opportunity to check I was using names correctly at the start of the year, as in “If I mispronounce your name, or get it wrong, please remind me - politely” and then make a note to help remind me at the start of each lesson. It just took seconds. It was important to get their names right. It’s basic respect and relationship building. I wouldn’t tolerate rudeness if I made a mistake, but for the most part they genuinely appreciated it. I’d never have sanctioned a student for a polite correction.

Jifmicroliquid · 03/11/2023 09:03

saffronsoup · 03/11/2023 08:07

A baisc expectation of a teacher is to know who you are teaching. Especially when they are young kids and it isn't solely about marks. How can you fill in a progress or achievement report that asks about more than marks when you haven't got a clue who is who or what their names are. To not know the names of the children in your class is unexcusable and lazy. Learning names is an expected responsibility in the profession. Learning is relational. It is just about one directional spouting of information.

Completely unrealistic to remember that many names when some classes you only see for an hour once a week or fortnight.
You can still know exactly what someone is achieving and how they are progressing based on recognising them, but you might not instantly remember their name.

One year I taught 370 children, some I saw once a fortnight. Do you really expect a teacher with that number of children to know the names of absolutely every one by early November without making the occasional mix up?
Why do you think secondary school teachers print out class lists with the kids faces on? Because it is so difficult, on top of all your other responsibilities, to learn the name of absolutely everyone within the first term.

saffronsoup · 03/11/2023 08:17

curtaintwitchersannonymous · 03/11/2023 08:12

Of course I can - you don't seem to know how classrooms work

I have been in classrooms for 25 years. It isn't possible to do accurate assessments without knowing who they are. How ca you assess behaviour or effort or teamwork when you have no idea who anyone is? You can't. If a parent calls or emails about a student - you have no clue who they are talking about. If you don't know who is know and don't know their names - you can not accurately assess them.

curtaintwitchersannonymous · 03/11/2023 08:12

saffronsoup · 03/11/2023 08:10

Ir probably wasn't accurate but you wouldn't know because you didn't have a clue who anyone was. How can you do an accurate assessment of kids when you don't even know who they are? Not possible beyond marks where they wrote their name on a paper and you can then transfer that mark to your book.

Of course I can - you don't seem to know how classrooms work

saffronsoup · 03/11/2023 08:10

curtaintwitchersannonymous · 03/11/2023 07:53

I agree with @Jifmicroliquid I think you are hugely overestimating the average teacher's name recall ability, and forgetting that they will learn hundreds of new names every single year. It doesn't matter if the teacher knows your daughter's name or not. What matters is if her records are accurate. I have accurate records for hundreds of students who's faces I would not recognise

Ir probably wasn't accurate but you wouldn't know because you didn't have a clue who anyone was. How can you do an accurate assessment of kids when you don't even know who they are? Not possible beyond marks where they wrote their name on a paper and you can then transfer that mark to your book.

saffronsoup · 03/11/2023 08:07

Jifmicroliquid · 03/11/2023 07:03

I was a teacher and each year would teach over 300 different children. It’s hard to remember names when you teach that many, particularly when some children may look similar or have similar hair colour and features.
I wouldn’t go in all guns blazing.

A baisc expectation of a teacher is to know who you are teaching. Especially when they are young kids and it isn't solely about marks. How can you fill in a progress or achievement report that asks about more than marks when you haven't got a clue who is who or what their names are. To not know the names of the children in your class is unexcusable and lazy. Learning names is an expected responsibility in the profession. Learning is relational. It is just about one directional spouting of information.

curtaintwitchersannonymous · 03/11/2023 07:53

I agree with @Jifmicroliquid I think you are hugely overestimating the average teacher's name recall ability, and forgetting that they will learn hundreds of new names every single year. It doesn't matter if the teacher knows your daughter's name or not. What matters is if her records are accurate. I have accurate records for hundreds of students who's faces I would not recognise

Jifmicroliquid · 03/11/2023 07:03

I was a teacher and each year would teach over 300 different children. It’s hard to remember names when you teach that many, particularly when some children may look similar or have similar hair colour and features.
I wouldn’t go in all guns blazing.

Magicshoppingtrolley · 03/11/2023 06:52

Thanks again. I will go for a polite email about DD being upset about it. I work in an area where I’m expected to remember lots of names but would be mortified if I got one wrong consistently. I do also appreciate that DD might have been a bit eye rolling if she was frustrated although her friend says she wasn’t.

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surreygirl1987 · 02/11/2023 23:34

Okay, another perspective. I am a teacher and I have a real issue with names and faces. It's a real problem called facial blindness. I hugely struggle. I teach more than 100 students in total. I do not know all their names. I am aware that it's a problem and do my best to mitigate it - eg seating plans. I do make errors though, even with children who I've taught for a year. When you teach 100s of kids, this is inevitable! The teacher is probably mortified about it.

The behaviour point, however, is not okay, IF your daughter was genuine polite. Are you sure she wasn't rude in correcting her? Laughing, smirking, rolling her eyes etc? I've seen that sort of reaction dozens of times. I'd ask the teacher politely before going in all guns blazing!

AntiquePancakes · 02/11/2023 23:05

The teacher is rude.
The headteacher at my child's junior school used to stand and greet the children every morning. He knew ALL their names

Precipice · 02/11/2023 23:01

curtaintwitchersannonymous · 02/11/2023 22:18

Not directed at me, but I will answer - because there are 30 children in the class, and at any one point, 15 of them have something they want to say, and it isn't a free for all. There is a time when teachers speak and a time when it is appropriate for children to speak. And no, I would not stop a lesson and correct a child who got my name wrong, it simply does not matter

If a child is addressing you in class, you're already speaking with that child. You're not mid-teaching in the sense of actively communicating information. Likewise if you're addressing a child, the child is not stopping you mid-lesson to reply.

If you're speaking to one of the 30, e.g. "and now let's have Harriet read Juliet's lines", but you're indicating Helen, it's normal and reasonable for Helen to say "My name is Helen, Miss Teacher," rather than going straight into "O, Romeo! Romeo! Wherefore art thou Romeo?". (Although here I suppose she could go for "wherefore am I Harriet called?", but that's shakier ground if the teacher isn't inclined to find that humorous.)

Blondeshavemorefun · 02/11/2023 22:56

I bet it hard to Learn /remember names but to keep getting it wrong is bad

But can happen but it's what happens when she says it's jennifer

Worse is why dd then gets a punishment

I would send an email to teacher and copy in tutor and head

Lokipokey1 · 02/11/2023 22:51

I’m primary supply and it’s hard to learn lots of new names, but I never mind being corrected. Called a child out for messing around today and got the wrong name (v similar but slightly different) I just apologised and made an effort to speak to him by name before he went out to break to help remind myself of his name and to reassure him I’d remembered the correct name!

Mariposista · 02/11/2023 22:46

She absolutely deserves to be called her proper name and it is not good to have got to half term and still be getting it wrong.

However, be very very sure how your daughter ‘corrected’ the teacher. ‘It’s actually Jennifer Miss’ is fine. A bolshy ‘it’s JENNIFEEEEEEER’ with a big eye roll is not. Regardless of how many times she has got it wrong. Better to go to head of year or form tutor than be stroppy.
I’m sure she was very polite.

RedderThanABeet · 02/11/2023 22:39

@curtaintwitchersannonymous please don't assume I have never been in a classroom. Correct I have never been in a secondary classroom but I did spend over 10 years in primary classrooms. To be honest a teacher saying it can wait until the end smacks of I can never been seen to be wrong. A child's name is important, very important to them. Normally secondary school classes have seating plans, or at least both my sons' did so a teacher knew what their names were by looking at the sheet.

Bobbybobbins · 02/11/2023 22:38

V unreasonable to be given a behavioural warning. I'm a secondary teacher and I really appreciate being corrected, takes ages to get 200 new names every year.

Rosebel · 02/11/2023 22:35

My DDs used to get incredibly frustrated because teachers, both at primary and secondary used to call them by the wrong name (so calling DD2 by DD1s name and vice versa). They used to correct teachers but never got a warning for it. So I think the teacher was unreasonable to do that.
Surely if you use the wrong name you just apologise and carry on.
I had a manager who called me Ellie all the time which is absolutely nothing like my name and it quickly stopped being funny and became fucking irratating.
Flag it with the school and question the behaviour warning.

curtaintwitchersannonymous · 02/11/2023 22:32

RedderThanABeet · 02/11/2023 22:22

@curtaintwitchersannonymous but this is getting a child's name wrong and clearly the teacher has said her name. Why would a correction not be appropriate? It is 2 seconds and pretty damn important and hardly stopping a lesson.

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because like I said, there are 15 other children who also want to say something, and even if it is only 5-10 seconds each, it is just not appropriate to stop a lesson for it. You hugely underestimate the number of children, names and queries going on in the average classroom at any given moment

JanefromLondon1 · 02/11/2023 22:24

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 02/11/2023 22:23

phlebasconsidered · 02/11/2023 20:47

I'm just popping on to mention that as a teacher, i've only seen my new classes twice a week since September. 15 / 16 times, for 50 minutes of full on teaching. That's 30 plus new names each class, plus pronouns etc. In my year 7's alone, that's 97 names. Year 8's 96. And so on. I am not superhuman and remembering all the names takes time. A polite correction after the lesson is fine, along with an acceptance that I am human and most jobs don't require you to recall hundreds of names perfectly in a short time period.

But this isn't a new class - it's been going on for over a year.

RedderThanABeet · 02/11/2023 22:22

@curtaintwitchersannonymous but this is getting a child's name wrong and clearly the teacher has said her name. Why would a correction not be appropriate? It is 2 seconds and pretty damn important and hardly stopping a lesson.

Rocksonabeach · 02/11/2023 22:22

Just email the teacher and say

’Im just emailing you about the behaviour point on …. Date. I understand that Jennifer politely asked you to call her by her name Jennifer instead of ‘Jane’ which you have accidentally done for over a year. Jennifer is asking me how she can help you remember her correct name - and I’m at a loss although I appreciate you have many to learn!
was the behaviour point for her really necessary as Jennifer says it was for correcting you from calling her the wrong name again ? She says she was polite about this but could you explain why she got a behaviour point?

Thanks
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