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To be considering private school at reception?

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Aramist · 21/10/2023 08:35

We live in a small village which happens to have a really good private school 5 minute walk away. We've looked round, talked with the teachers, done our research. Loved it.

We've also looked around the nearest state school, which is a 5 minute drive away. Also a nice school, headteacher brilliant. Lots of recommendations.

The thing is, even though we can comfortably afford it, the class sizes at the private school are tiny. We're talking maybe 6 or 7 kids per year group. I think there are something like 20 (if that) kids in the whole of key stage 1. I can see that being a lovely thing, family feel and the attention my DD will get would be great, but I worry about her socially as I can see her being a quiet and sensitive child at school.

With the state school, each year group has about 30. Big classes. I work in state and have a class of 30 and it's hard work, can be chaotic and I just can't give every child the attention they deserve. I'd also worry with her potentially being quite quiet she'd get a bit 'lost' in a big class like that, but at least she'd have local friends (not necessarily in same village though).

The other issue is if we moved house. Our house isn't necessarily our forever home but we're happy for now.

I'm torn. Any words of advice?

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Saschka · 28/11/2023 18:52

Aramist · 21/10/2023 09:48

@HavfrueDenizKisi 40 kids isn't enough?

How many kids does a child need to find a friend? 100s?

How many do they need to offer a wide range of GCSE subjects, each taught by a specialist teacher? I’d guess more than 40….

Saschka · 28/11/2023 18:40

RudsyFarmer · 21/10/2023 14:49

My experience is absolute chaos in the state system. If I had the money I’d choose private across the board from prep to a levels.

Edited

But would you pick this private school, with just 6 other kids in the class, over an outstanding state primary? (They do exist)

I personally wouldn’t.

CuttingAllTheFlowersStill · 28/11/2023 18:03

I was attracted to one form entry/small class sizes when my kids were little. It is actually a long time to be stuck with the same group of children. One of my children had a couple of miserable years when the option to change class might have helped a difficult social dynamic.

If you really like the private school I might be inclined to try it for reception and KS1 where I think most kids are happy to make friends with whoever is there. And maybe look at moving to a larger school for KS2.

WarningOfGails · 28/11/2023 18:02

I would consider 40 in a year group at secondary school to be too small tbh. But I’ve had a DC who has had lots of friendship issues so that colours my experience. I’ve also had kids in a very small primary school - it’s sweet when they are young but an issue in the later primary years IME.

Quittingthyme · 28/11/2023 17:58

Starting with a disclaimer that I haven't read all of the responses.

The question in financially viability is entirely crucial. We experienced a small private school closing not long after we had moved our DS there. Your description is fairly reminiscent of that school, with particular regard to the smaller class sizes in the early years.

Previous posters have mentioned bullying and fall out being worse in smaller schools, I would agree with this. How much action is a school with so few pupils going to take?

It may be that your local small private school delivers everything we hoped ours was, but the reality we found was quite different. I had visions of a Blyton type affair, not teachers knowing every detail of theirs students lives (and gossiping about it), tennis courts that were forever 'due to be cleaned' and buildings on the wane.

Best wishes with whatever you decide, I'd definitely go for State in this scenario

Aramist · 28/11/2023 17:55

@CoffeeCantata your last point - that also happens in primary. Alot.

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CoffeeCantata · 28/11/2023 17:47

Unless you are absolutely minted, I'd save my money for secondary. I never understand why parents send their children to private nursery and reception - or even primary most of the time.

Children in reception are basically learning through play and in my experience they happily do this in the state system. State secondary schools are more hit and miss and I'd rather spend money (though I never had enough!) on making sure my children didn't get their education wrecked by disruptive fellow students at that point.

NeedToChangeName · 28/11/2023 17:43

If you think it's so hard to choose, I'd say go with state school and save the ££

I'd only consider paying ££ for private school if I felt it would be money well spent

Newuser75 · 28/11/2023 17:41

I'd also be concerned about the very small
class sizes at the private school. The may rarely be any problems but if there are there is no where for your child to get away.

You are also limiting them hugely with regards to friendship choices. My eldest son started school in a small, one form entry private school. All the other boys like football, he didn't, he therefore had no one else to play with. He then had issues with a couple of boys. Couldn't get away from them. Was miserable. We moved him to a three form entry private school and he has never looked back.

I guess it would be fine until there was a problem.

The financial side would also worry me. With the cost of living crisis and the concern over the possible 20% increase in fees many people with kids at private school will have to re think.

I'd pick the state school or a larger private school.

WhatHaveIDone21 · 28/11/2023 17:33

But equally, you could consider state at first and then move to the private school as the class sizes get bigger (UKS2). That might give you the best of both worlds.

WhatHaveIDone21 · 28/11/2023 17:32

I think it's tough because of the size of the private school classes. I have 2 DC. DC1 is in Y8 in a local private school - there are 18 children in her class. DC2 is in Y4 in a state primary in a class of 30. The plan will be for her to join her sister in Y7 (DC1 went to the same primary).

I teach in KS1 and have 31 children this year. With the best will in the world, I can't give them the attention they all need especially as I have a lot of children with additional needs this year. I think the best size is around 15 children but if I had to choose (and money was no object) I would probably go for the smaller class size.

Aramist · 28/11/2023 17:22

Bit of an update.

Went back to the private school for a bit of a closer look and a good chat with the head.

Few more details/things I've noticed:

  • reception up to year 2 very play based. Teacher very focused on child-led play. Even year 2s were sharing provision with the rest. Was nice to see.
  • when expressing concern about class size, the head teacher was of the opinion it was rarely an issue (she would say that of course). It's the sort of school where the staff bring their own kids and she said her DD (now older) had no issues with friendships and the whole of primary is 'one big family'. She also made the point that hardly any children have left mid term/year over her many years there
  • the school's facilities are out of this world
  • very good academic results

I do still worry about her socially, which has brought me back to this thread to be honest. Read through the whole thing again.
Yet all the parents I've spoken to who have children there (including young children) have told me their child has thrived.

So now I'm torn again!
I've got to go with.my gut I think.

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Waitingfortheconferencehosttojoin · 21/10/2023 22:11

Not the point of the thread, but: Am I the only one who is baffled by people saying “private prep”? Surely that’s tautologous? Preps are private…?!

CaptainJackSparrow85 · 21/10/2023 19:51

I don’t have any feelings about private vs state as such because there are fantastic state schools and awful private schools, and vice versa.

But I strongly agree with others who’ve said that small class sizes, whilst very attractive to parents who are concerned about their DC getting overlooked, can be a double-edged sword for children. Classes of 30 aren’t necessarily ideal but it is 29 potential friends!

WorriedMillie · 21/10/2023 19:48

We are in the 3 tier system. Lovely village first school, 30/class. DD went there until the end of Y4, then joined the private prep school in a nearby town (much smaller classes).

Maybe look at the possibilities for joining the private school later on?

Fromthebirdsnest · 21/10/2023 19:43

My children are all at private school , I have one pretty average, one very quiet artsy but not brilliant at core subjects and one gifted and talented (& a 2 year old who will be going) they cater for all of them brilliantly... honestly if you can afford private school it's a great investment in your child's future , imo x

EasternStandard · 21/10/2023 18:59

That’s tiny. I’d check financial viability of the school too.

I mean you can still go for it but it is so small

Aramist · 21/10/2023 18:55

Thanks all. I think the state school might be the way forward 🙂 with the view to having the option to move her if needed later on.
Will definitely consider it for junior/secondary.

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WeMustGetOffTheMountain · 21/10/2023 15:48

I would say it depends entirely on your DC... If private school with very small class sizes had been an option for DS10 I would have jumped at the chance - he has SEN, struggles in large groups and needs lots of support with his school work. DD8 however, thrives in a busy class with lots of different children. She would have been miserable in a tiny class!

If I were in your position, I would perhaps give the state school a go for the first year and then re-evaluate at the end of reception when you will have a feel for how your DC is finding it.

Good luck!

Nevermind31 · 21/10/2023 15:41

I would start state - you can always move private if it doesn’t suit, but you won’t be able to move the other way.
we moved our DC away from private because the year group was getting so small (9). No chance to get away if you don’t get on with someone

Wisenotboring · 21/10/2023 15:05

Our youngest is in reception in a prep school. We absolutely couldn't be happy with everything she has on offer there. However, I have other children in the state sector so I don't think it's a question of state bad, private good. I would be quite nervous about such a small school in the current financial climate. I would also worry about social opportunities.

RudsyFarmer · 21/10/2023 14:49

My experience is absolute chaos in the state system. If I had the money I’d choose private across the board from prep to a levels.

Foxesandsquirrels · 21/10/2023 14:37

RudsyFarmer · 21/10/2023 14:32

If only you knew 🤣

Well we don't. Everyone will have different experiences but in my experience, pastoral, academic and safeguarding are all much better in state.

RudsyFarmer · 21/10/2023 14:32

If only you knew 🤣

Foxesandsquirrels · 21/10/2023 14:30

PutWoodInHoleDuck · 21/10/2023 14:26

Speaking from experience - go state.

Same- go state