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A global peace movement

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 18/10/2023 00:13

All I am seeing are decisive threads that keep getting deleted. All I am also seeing, and reading in the news, are heartbreaking accounts and images. I don’t have the answers, no one does. Where money and power are in play, there are no easy answers, perhaps we are on our way to world devastation. A terrifying thought, but a thought that has played in many of our minds. As I see it, the only way forward is a peace movement, a global peace movement. I have no political or religious allegiance, just an allegiance to all the innocents on both sides. It would take one hell of a U-turn from political parties, and a U-turn we realistically know they won’t take, without some sort of extraordinary turn of events. I can’t help thinking that this is the only way we have a chance at saving humanity.

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 23/10/2023 00:33

Justanotherlurker · 19/10/2023 12:06

I am 14 and this is deep....

I have a deep dislike for people who masquerade as children. I’ll see if I can find you on Reddit

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 22/10/2023 23:33

Polecat07 · 20/10/2023 12:19

@Theemeperorsnewclothes the "I'm 14 and this is deep" poster was mocking, I'm afraid. It's a page on reddit where people cringe at posts by young people just discovering the basics of the world and thinking they're all profound for having these 'deep' realisations. That's what the comment was referencing.
I've laughed at that page myself, I mean teenagers are peak cringe a lot of the time, but I think it's a bit unkind to post that here when you're an well intentioned adult.
It's a pity any attempt at conversations around peace have to be dowsed in cynicism, as though to be hopeful or naive is a terrible thing deserving of ridicule.

Thank you. No one deserves to be ridiculed at any time, but particularly in these awful times. It is a sad reflection of the times that we are living in.

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Theemeperorsnewclothes · 22/10/2023 23:28

Freshstart78 · 20/10/2023 01:46

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 18/10/2023 00:39

“There is no money or power in peace and some humans are always going to want both.”

This is sadly very true.
That’s not true at all. All the richest people in the world are people with businesses, plenty of money, and not blowing people up. Wars are for unintelligent men incapable of anything meaningful.

@Freshstart78 I wish that was true as it would make winning any war pretty easy. Unfortunately it is all to do with money and power. You might not ‘see’ them “blowing people up” but they have their finger on the button.

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Trulywonderful · 20/10/2023 23:43

Fifteenth · 20/10/2023 23:09

Let’s wait until we find ET. We can gather together if a common enemy appears.

Until then, World Govt would target and enslave you and me and all of us here.

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ET didn't like it here. He asked to go home.

Fifteenth · 20/10/2023 23:09

LoganCaleSeries5 · 20/10/2023 00:21

Also a one world Govt would also help massively with having earth and by extension the "federation of planets" under one govt as it could help earth and humanity achieve peace, while at the same time having Earth and its colonies be equipped for war in the galaxies.

Let’s wait until we find ET. We can gather together if a common enemy appears.

Until then, World Govt would target and enslave you and me and all of us here.

SerendipityJane · 20/10/2023 12:28

BlueKaftan · 20/10/2023 11:39

There are many peace movements all over the world but they are usually associated with spiritual practice and working to practice peace in your own life. There cannot be global peace until there is individual peace.

Nirvana - the extinguishing of self.

koalaknickers · 20/10/2023 12:21

Polecat07 · 20/10/2023 12:19

@Theemeperorsnewclothes the "I'm 14 and this is deep" poster was mocking, I'm afraid. It's a page on reddit where people cringe at posts by young people just discovering the basics of the world and thinking they're all profound for having these 'deep' realisations. That's what the comment was referencing.
I've laughed at that page myself, I mean teenagers are peak cringe a lot of the time, but I think it's a bit unkind to post that here when you're an well intentioned adult.
It's a pity any attempt at conversations around peace have to be dowsed in cynicism, as though to be hopeful or naive is a terrible thing deserving of ridicule.

I didn't know about that Reddit page.

I did detect a little sarcasm in the "I'm 14 and this is deep" comment though and did wonder!

As I said upthread, I am not always great with the old sarcasm myself.

Polecat07 · 20/10/2023 12:19

@Theemeperorsnewclothes the "I'm 14 and this is deep" poster was mocking, I'm afraid. It's a page on reddit where people cringe at posts by young people just discovering the basics of the world and thinking they're all profound for having these 'deep' realisations. That's what the comment was referencing.
I've laughed at that page myself, I mean teenagers are peak cringe a lot of the time, but I think it's a bit unkind to post that here when you're an well intentioned adult.
It's a pity any attempt at conversations around peace have to be dowsed in cynicism, as though to be hopeful or naive is a terrible thing deserving of ridicule.

koalaknickers · 20/10/2023 11:58

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 18/10/2023 00:13

All I am seeing are decisive threads that keep getting deleted. All I am also seeing, and reading in the news, are heartbreaking accounts and images. I don’t have the answers, no one does. Where money and power are in play, there are no easy answers, perhaps we are on our way to world devastation. A terrifying thought, but a thought that has played in many of our minds. As I see it, the only way forward is a peace movement, a global peace movement. I have no political or religious allegiance, just an allegiance to all the innocents on both sides. It would take one hell of a U-turn from political parties, and a U-turn we realistically know they won’t take, without some sort of extraordinary turn of events. I can’t help thinking that this is the only way we have a chance at saving humanity.

All I am seeing are decisive threads that keep getting deleted.

Sadly, that's just it though isn't it?

Humans can't even discuss something on a forum without things getting aggressive and heated, no-one trying to understand one another's point of view, resulting in threads being pulled.

That's why I feel so hopeless about world peace, really.

As @BlueKaftan says, "There cannot be global peace until there is individual peace."

BlueKaftan · 20/10/2023 11:39

There are many peace movements all over the world but they are usually associated with spiritual practice and working to practice peace in your own life. There cannot be global peace until there is individual peace.

koalaknickers · 20/10/2023 11:34

SerendipityJane · 20/10/2023 11:03

Thanks for pointing that out. Otherwise I might have gone all hippy and thought that peace was a good idea. Phew, lucky escape. Let the bombs fall while we all polish our fucking halos shall we ?

(Yes. That is sarcasm. It's deep sarcasm. It's hopefully shocking sarcasm.)

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Luckily, thinking peace is a good idea doesn't hinge on thinking John Lennon was a great guy.

If that's what you were saying.

Sorry I may have misunderstood, I am never sure with sarcasm!

koalaknickers · 20/10/2023 11:13

Trulywonderful · 20/10/2023 11:08

Well that ruins his music for me

However it had to be said probably

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Yeah, doesn't quite go with the image does it?

Mind you, I try to separate the artist from the art or I'd have practically nothing to read, watch or listen to 😀So, for me, John Lennon's song has great sentiments although I'm not completely blind to the man behind the music.

Trulywonderful · 20/10/2023 11:08

koalaknickers · 20/10/2023 10:48

Yes, this reminds me that John Lennon was an emotionally abusive wifebeater, who abandoned his first wife and son. He also mocked the disabled and managed to stop beating a man before he actually killed him.

He said later that he had changed and got into the peace stuff, because of his previous violence.

He still left his first son out of his will, so I'm not sure he had changed that much.

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Well that ruins his music for me

However it had to be said probably

SerendipityJane · 20/10/2023 11:03

koalaknickers · 20/10/2023 10:48

Yes, this reminds me that John Lennon was an emotionally abusive wifebeater, who abandoned his first wife and son. He also mocked the disabled and managed to stop beating a man before he actually killed him.

He said later that he had changed and got into the peace stuff, because of his previous violence.

He still left his first son out of his will, so I'm not sure he had changed that much.

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Thanks for pointing that out. Otherwise I might have gone all hippy and thought that peace was a good idea. Phew, lucky escape. Let the bombs fall while we all polish our fucking halos shall we ?

(Yes. That is sarcasm. It's deep sarcasm. It's hopefully shocking sarcasm.)

koalaknickers · 20/10/2023 10:48

SerendipityJane · 18/10/2023 07:47

That old chestnut ...

Yes, this reminds me that John Lennon was an emotionally abusive wifebeater, who abandoned his first wife and son. He also mocked the disabled and managed to stop beating a man before he actually killed him.

He said later that he had changed and got into the peace stuff, because of his previous violence.

He still left his first son out of his will, so I'm not sure he had changed that much.

koalaknickers · 20/10/2023 10:41

SerendipityJane · 20/10/2023 10:28

Not rocket science.

Before all for that, you need to have "sides" though. "Sides" are at the heart of all conflicts. Whether it's two individuals fighting over the last Rolo, or two tribes fighting over the riverbank.

And the me/not me paradigm is a fundamental artefact of genetics that expresses itself everywhere. From your scent to your speech to your sight.

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I agree, exactly.

SerendipityJane · 20/10/2023 10:28

koalaknickers · 20/10/2023 08:18

Eight Main Causes of War:

  1. Economic Gain
  2. Territorial Gain
  3. Religion
  4. Nationalism
  5. Revenge
  6. Civil War
  7. Revolutionary War
  8. Defensive War

The 8 Main Reasons for War - Owlcation

Not rocket science.

Before all for that, you need to have "sides" though. "Sides" are at the heart of all conflicts. Whether it's two individuals fighting over the last Rolo, or two tribes fighting over the riverbank.

And the me/not me paradigm is a fundamental artefact of genetics that expresses itself everywhere. From your scent to your speech to your sight.

Freshstart78 · 20/10/2023 10:20

Lonesomefetter · 20/10/2023 01:55

Yeah freshstart no money in war at all Hmm

What planet do some of you live on?

I think we read it differently.

Inread there is no money or power in peace which is completely untrue.

You reading there’s money and power in war - which is true to a point but in the end everyone ends up broke, dead and being judged by history.

koalaknickers · 20/10/2023 08:18

Eight Main Causes of War:

  1. Economic Gain
  2. Territorial Gain
  3. Religion
  4. Nationalism
  5. Revenge
  6. Civil War
  7. Revolutionary War
  8. Defensive War

The 8 Main Reasons for War - Owlcation

mellongoose · 20/10/2023 08:01

Sadly we are dealing with terrorists who see no value in human life. The way they treat women is unspeakable. They do not believe people can be gay.

I'm afraid peace is not something Hamas would ever sit down to negotiate and it is naive to say so. I'm neither Jewish or Muslim.

koalaknickers · 20/10/2023 07:57

Banishing religion won't stop wars.

Ukraine and Russia are both predominantly Christian. The war is not about that.

Lonesomefetter · 20/10/2023 01:55

Yeah freshstart no money in war at all Hmm

What planet do some of you live on?

Freshstart78 · 20/10/2023 01:46

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 18/10/2023 00:39

“There is no money or power in peace and some humans are always going to want both.”

This is sadly very true.

That’s not true at all. All the richest people in the world are people with businesses, plenty of money, and not blowing people up. Wars are for unintelligent men incapable of anything meaningful.

Trulywonderful · 20/10/2023 01:42

Theemeperorsnewclothes · 18/10/2023 00:17

Unfortunately I don’t think the UN are a peace movement in current times.

This

Once it wasn't perfect but had good intentions. Now it is just used to carry out bad intentions. It is like school playground politics. Different groups stick together and only support their mates opinions most the time. Even if the mate is threatening to bomb their neighbours or is suppressing their own people.

I love the sound of a world peace movement but like all politicians or parties eventually it would not be what was intended. If the movement was to work it would have to have powers. Power equals corruption.