To think we should avoid London right now?

We are doing nhm, the eye, a river cruise,the tower, tower bridge, the British museum, the imperial War museum, hamleys, harrods and regent street/leicester square for some shopping. We have done them all before and rotate different activities, but have given not a shred of thought to changing our itinerary.

Well said. Unfortunately, but it is true.

Compassion doesn't mean anything when dealing with evil who wish to destroy Israel like Hamas. Did we solve the problem of Nazis (who I were similar in evil to Hamas) with compassion? We killed many Germans to win that war as we felt it was the only way. I am so sorry for how you feel @BlurredEdges and the lack of empathy of some. I 100% stand with Jewish people.

The only answer that I can see is compassion. Choosing compassion and seeing us all as one, we must choose the path of compassion. Women have shone the torch of compassion for centuries and we must continue to do so. If for no other reason our children need us too. There are but a few who truly want this and no one will benefit. By uniting and choosing the path of compassion there is hope and the beginning of a new era.

I would love this. I really would. The brutality of what I've seen men doing in the supposed name of 'war' is just unspeakable, but when I see women celebrating and mocking the rape and degradation of other women and the mutilation of children... I just can't. Can't relate to it at all, can't imagine any situation at all, ever, where I would respond like that.

Many of my extended family were murdered by the Nazis. But I wouldn't be laughing and jeering if the wives and children of Nazi leaders were raped and murdered. There is no 'context' whatsoever which makes rape and brutalisation by men, of women, anything but utterly horrific and terrifying to me.

To laugh and joke about it and celebrate it just seems utterly inhuman to me. And makes me very, very, very scared. There is nothing more terrifying to me, on a very deep level, than the image of a woman with a baby looking at a man and saying "please no", and him just... not caring. It breaks every human bond, every bit of empathy.

I see it in some of the responses here to what's been done to Israeli women and children, and it scares the absolute living fuck out of me.

this image - attached - has stayed with me my whole life, since I first saw it in my teens. I struggle to carry on living in a world where this happens. I struggle with my decision to bring children into this world.

I see it here in some of the absolute coldness and callousness of the responses to the face to face, point blank, utterly brutal and horrendous things that have been done to women, babies, children and young girls in the last few days. And dread to think what might be happening to the hostages in Gaza, if any of them are still alive.

We are going and it did not occur to me that it might be risky at all. I will not be worried, but then I grew up in Belfast during the troubles, so I never let any kind of terrorist threat put me off.

Can we not unite as women to condemn rape and murder of women and terrifyingly children. As a mother I cannot think of any atrocities against particularly children without crying. Can we not stand united against this. I say this as a person who has no organised religion but respect all beliefs.

Yes. Absolute horrendous things done to innocent people. But the 'protests' in London and elsewhere today only objected to one side.

None of what I posted is 'fake news'. Unfortunately.

But that is on both sides of the conflict.

Stop spreading fake news!

P.s. I think you don't understand, at all, how those videos, and your response to them, read to me as a Jewish woman with a daughter, a mother, friends, etc.

There have been murders and rapes of women for being Jewish in the USA, Paris, etc. What this says to me is - if this happens to me or my daughter or my mother, there will be people who will excuse it because 'context' or 'scale' or something, simply because we are Jews.

Try to think for a moment about how that feels. If you can.

I'm not 'fixated' on the demonstrations. London is my home. I don't feel that it is safe for me to go out here at the moment
(Which was the original question).

It breaks my heart.

And there are LOADS of people who aren't 'horrified by what's happened to both sides'. You're either being disingenuous or you're just not looking. There are a lot of people openly celebrating what's happened to the people in Israel.

Iran and Russia are pretty powerful nations, btw.

Stay away from the protests.

and that’s a rather large blanket statement to assume the entire country stands with Israel.

No, none, to the best of my knowledge. We're all really fucking scared, to be honest. And many of us are grieving for people we know personally. Thank you for asking x

Yes, i deplore all of that.

I would never go on a march that condemned killings, torture, rape, kidnap etc by one side only.

I wouldn't go on a march designed to terrorise and marginalise a tiny minority (jews) in their own country.

If you, as a Palestinian woman, wanted to march for peace and to protest against the terrible things inflicted on women, children and innocent civilians regardless of their religion, nationality or ethnicity, condemning the suffering of ALL innocent people caught up in this bullshit, I would love to stand shoulder to shoulder with you against this horror.

These are not demonstrations for peace, these are not demonstrations that recognise the humanity and innocence of people in both Israel and Gaza. They are designed to be divisive and terrifying.

I agree a peace demo would be a wonderful thing. The fact is Israel has the unequivocal support of the most powerful nations on the planet. Palestine does not. I’m not sure why you are so fixated on the pro-Palestine demos (which, ultimately, will change fuck all). I can’t think of a single person who isn’t horrified by what happened on both sides.
I think it’s misleading to say Hannan was celebrating the deaths of Israelis - she gave wider context that led to this.

Twitter posts here and there do not tell the whole story. It is very easy to find videos to back up any point of view. They don’t give an idea of scale.

Oh ok thanks, I'm sorry to have missed it. There's not been any march in support of the Jews though, or even anti-hamas?

well clearly this thread has now been hijacked from answering OP's question 🙄there are plenty of other threads for you posters to go debate whether you agree with whats happening

I wish all the useful fucking idiots would listen to Palestinians like this instead of doing Hamas’s work for them
https://x.com/YasMohammedxx/status/1712557584258138171?s=20

I wish every Israeli would say the same as you. Instead we have footage of soldiers cheering each other on for killing children. Of Naftali being asked what he thinks about the siege causing the deaths of civilians in hospitals, and him calling them Nazis and say he would not help his enemy. Of Israelis every single year marching and chanting "death to the Arabs" during the Jerusalem flag march. Of a banner hung a main intersection in Tel Aviv calling for a genocide in Gaza.

I think you probably deplore all that, because you sound like a good person. Is it fair for me to say you should be categorised with them? If not, why do you think all people on the marches should be categorised by the most extreme?

Sorry. Could you explain what you mean please? Are you referring to the man being beaten up by a large crowd?

There was a vigil a few days ago but it was quiet and peaceful and didn't cause any disruption so not really known about or reported. It was mainly attended by Jews.

David lammy and wes streeting did attend, which meant a lot.

I personally think this man is disgusting. There is no way anyone is that tone deaf, he knew exactly what he was doing.

No. My responses are not one-sided. I've explicitly condemned and told you I've cried and continue to mourn for every single innocent person caught up in this horror

What I'm not hearing or seeing is anything similar from anyone on these demonstrations..

If it had been a protest to stop killing all innocent people then it could have been a genuine call for peace. It wasn't. It was utterly totally one sided and it's incredible that you seek to justify that.

This wasn't a peace demo, it was a pro palestine anti Israel demo. Because really... do whatever you want to Jews, I guess. Plus ca fucking change.