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To think we should avoid London right now?

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StayorgoLDN · 13/10/2023 09:23

Due to visit London in the next few weeks.

Anxious with Palestinian protests and so forth in the news. I don’t want to be near that with young children, and worried that it may escalate to some sort of attack.

We are not Jews, but presuming as the U.K. is supporting Israel that we’ll all be fair game ie there might be an attack/bomb somewhere prominent to send a message to gov.

Have been in London during terrorist attacks before and I’d rather avoid.

AIBU to consider rescheduling our family trip to next year?

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MBeat · 13/10/2023 10:19

As a Londoner I hadn’t thought about it to be honest.
I’ll be going through and walking around tomorrow in the centre. I’ve walked along side many a protest without trouble.
A terrorist attack is never zero.
This week I’ve been in my usual Jewish Bakeries and witnessed the Muslim majority clientele getting on well as usual with staff. No posters or signs out and people being normal. Social media is always more extreme than the reality.
I’d maybe though use Gloucester Road instead of High St Kensington if at the museums though, due to sheer weight of numbers and proximity to embassies

phoenixrosehere · 13/10/2023 10:18

Was visiting all over Central London yesterday (Paddington, Camden, London Bridge Embankment, Chinatown, Soho, Oxford Street) and hadn’t seen one protest or heard any rowdiness, lots of people out and about going about their day. Felt completely safe but good grief was the tube hot considering how nice it was outside despite the off and on rain.

madeinmanc · 13/10/2023 10:18

@BlurredEdges That must be very distressing for you and it's a terrible situation but the OP's circumstances are totally different.

BlurredEdges · 13/10/2023 10:17

stealthbanana · 13/10/2023 10:14

I’m really sorry (genuinely)

but the op is not asking a question about your circumstances. I will qualify my statement and say that majority of london (including the areas you would likely visit as a tourist) is completely as normal.

Thanks. I was taking issue with the statement that everything is normal here. It really isn't for us.

I would also say that I've unexpectedly been confronted by pro-hamas protests in the past in Central London and that was well before the current horrors.

BlurredEdges · 13/10/2023 10:15

ShellySarah · 13/10/2023 10:14

These posts baffle me. You do know children live in London right? It's home to millions of people. What do you think it is, a war zone?

I was a very young child in London in the late 80s early 90s when the IRA were still around. I survived.

I also lived here during the ira attacks and never felt particularly unsafe.

I do now. Are you aware that multiple Jewish schools have had to close in London today because of the declaration of Jihad against all Jews today, and credible threats being made?

How do you think I felt sending my children into school today?

PinkRoses1245 · 13/10/2023 10:15

Just avoid any planned protests, and if you see one - avoid and go elsewhere.

CornishClott · 13/10/2023 10:15

BeggyMitchell · 13/10/2023 10:12

BlurredEdges you got there before me. How on earth anyone can compare the two is beyond me - the seething overspilling hate aimed at Jewish embassies/Jewish communities where they've had to cancel their children's schooling for fear of violence - versus the peaceful Jewish vigils.

You couldn't make it up.

It must be very stressful being Jewish in London right now .

PinkRoses1245 · 13/10/2023 10:14

You are being very overcautious. Statistically terrorist attacks are so rare, compared to travelling in a car - and I bet you don't think twice to drive somewhere,

Londontown12 · 13/10/2023 10:14

I think if you’re Jewish u must being feeling the tension ! And I am so sorry for that !
Most people probably just carrying on as normal but if your gut instinct is telling u not to go then don’t go !

stealthbanana · 13/10/2023 10:14

BlurredEdges · 13/10/2023 10:06

I'm Jewish and live in finchley and I can tell you that it's certainly not normal for us.

I’m really sorry (genuinely)

but the op is not asking a question about your circumstances. I will qualify my statement and say that majority of london (including the areas you would likely visit as a tourist) is completely as normal.

LumiB · 13/10/2023 10:14

You said you're coming in the next few weeks, who knows what the perceived threat level might be like by then. To be honest I haven't felt unsafe although I am sure the Jewish communities would say differently.

From my perception things are carrying on as normal, I would just avoid the embassy area as obviously there will be protests happening there so just moved your accommodation.

ShellySarah · 13/10/2023 10:14

These posts baffle me. You do know children live in London right? It's home to millions of people. What do you think it is, a war zone?

I was a very young child in London in the late 80s early 90s when the IRA were still around. I survived.

OneTC · 13/10/2023 10:13

I live in zone 1 at the moment and haven't noticed any change in policing, visible protests or flags being flown either way. There's always a risk of an attack in London, but the chances of it involving you are incalculably small. I haven't been, and don't generally go to, any particularly Jewish or particularly Arab areas in London as part of my weekly routine though.

I do not personally feel any less safe in London compared to last week. I've lived in London for years and it just feels normal to me.

1990s · 13/10/2023 10:13

Hyperion100 · 13/10/2023 09:47

I work between offices in Soho and the City 4 days a week. I've not even seen a protester.

Yep, just cycled from my house in South London through South Ken, Soho, Traf Square and into my office in the city and saw nothing out of order other than a lot of rain.

Pollyputhekettleon · 13/10/2023 10:13

StayorgoLDN · 13/10/2023 09:37

We arrived into London in the midst of an attack before and were almost caught up in a bomb, except we had a last min change of plan, so that’s very vivid for me.

Wanted to ask Londoners on here what their perceptions are of how things are on the ground - obviously due to experience my opinion would be biased, and the media can distort/offer narrow view.

Think we might change the accom as quite near the embassy.

I've read that there's a funny psychological quirk about humans where people closest to certain risks are actually more likely to underestimate it. People who live just downstream from dams were the example I saw. So ironically Londoners may not the best people to ask about this. Social psychology though so you'd have to take with a large pinch of salt.

BeggyMitchell · 13/10/2023 10:12

BlurredEdges you got there before me. How on earth anyone can compare the two is beyond me - the seething overspilling hate aimed at Jewish embassies/Jewish communities where they've had to cancel their children's schooling for fear of violence - versus the peaceful Jewish vigils.

You couldn't make it up.

Fizbosshoes · 13/10/2023 10:11

I work in central London and haven't felt unsafe or even considered whether there's an increased threat. I'm not Jewish though

Excited101 · 13/10/2023 10:10

It wouldn’t even occur to me to avoid it tbh! I live here and am going into town today for work. Totally up to you, but I’d say rearranging is totally unnecessary

Wetblanket78 · 13/10/2023 10:08

Anywhere could be a target. I live in a town that builds nuclear submarines so we could possibly be targeted. I know Putin said he would consider it.

Hibiscrubbed · 13/10/2023 10:07

Well, I’m in central most days. I can’t avoid it. Nor would I.

worryingalot · 13/10/2023 10:06

I’m in zone 1. I can’t change my activities because of it. Personally haven’t been caught up in any protests or anything. It feels very normal but I’m just a bit more anxious than normal that something could happen I guess. I wouldn’t change existing plans but I’d be prepared for protests and things in key locations probably, around parliament or Trafalgar Square etc or by embassies.

bronkie · 13/10/2023 10:06

Today is supposed to be a "Day of Jihad" across the world.

BlurredEdges · 13/10/2023 10:06

stealthbanana · 13/10/2023 09:43

Everything is normal here. I can’t imagine why you’d be particularly concerned about it, there are protests about all sorts of things in london all the time. The Israeli embassy was a fortress and the site of demonstrations long before this kicked off.

I'm Jewish and live in finchley and I can tell you that it's certainly not normal for us.

ruffler45 · 13/10/2023 10:06

Cant think of a good reason to go to London at any time.

BlurredEdges · 13/10/2023 10:04

DottieMoon · 13/10/2023 09:54

There are protests for both Palestine and Israel. Why only mention one?

The meetings supporting Israel have been quiet, solemn candlelit vigils where people have stood in quiet groups and prayed, and sung mourning songs grieving for the dead.

The pro-Hamas protests have involved hurling fireworks at the Israeli embassy, attacking Jewish people and passersby, jeering at mourners, and cheering on mass murder. There have been multiple arrests for criminal damage and physical attacks.

That's probably why they're worried about one and not the other.