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To think we should avoid London right now?

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StayorgoLDN · 13/10/2023 09:23

Due to visit London in the next few weeks.

Anxious with Palestinian protests and so forth in the news. I don’t want to be near that with young children, and worried that it may escalate to some sort of attack.

We are not Jews, but presuming as the U.K. is supporting Israel that we’ll all be fair game ie there might be an attack/bomb somewhere prominent to send a message to gov.

Have been in London during terrorist attacks before and I’d rather avoid.

AIBU to consider rescheduling our family trip to next year?

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Miriam101 · 13/10/2023 10:47

Eh? its totally fine. I mean, I probably wouldn’t plan to take your kids to the Israeli embassy but apart from that London is just carrying on as normal. would be a huge overreaction and send a really odd message to your kids to rearrange a holiday

LumiB · 13/10/2023 10:47

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OP isn't even coming to London today, she is coming in the next few weeks!

LongLizStridesAgain · 13/10/2023 10:46

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MayThe4th · 13/10/2023 10:45

These threads are so tedious.

Every single time something happens in the world the panic mongers come out in force to suggest that maybe they shouldn’t travel to London because…. What if….

Remind me again how many people have been killed in London so far since the attack in Israel last weekend?

And how many have been killed in car accidents in the same time?

And in case you’ve forgotten, the last terrorist attack in the UK happened in Manchester.

StayorgoLDN · 13/10/2023 10:45

RudsyFarmer · 13/10/2023 10:33

Hmmmm. You are not Jewish and yet feel like you’re going to get attacked if you go to London. Why?

@RudsyFarmer

U.K. Gov has come out in strong support of Israel and Jewish people.

Israel has already killed >1400 in Gaza in retaliation for 1300 killed in Israel by Hamas.

They have asked 1.1 million people in northern Gaza to evacuate over the next 24hrs. This is impossible due to blockades etc.

The number of Arabs that will be dying over the next few days will likely be huge.

This isn’t going to go down well with Arab nations. At all.

There will be further attacks on Israel in retaliation and likely other regions that support, including U.K.

As to what nature/when/where who knows.

But London is usually up there as it’s the capital and also the place where most British Arabs live.

Hope that’s explained things.

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/10/2023 10:44

Archymum · 13/10/2023 10:42

I'm a Jew in London. Our community is devastated beyond words, but it does not feel any different on the ground today than it did a week ago. I'm still taking the tube, going to work, taking my daughter to school.

I’m so sorry. It must be absolutely horrific, and devastating for your community.

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 10:44

@MasterBeth civilians?

Ramalangadingdong · 13/10/2023 10:44

What about those of us who live and work here? Do you think we should evacuate?

Mrsfussypants1 · 13/10/2023 10:43

I honestly don't know OP. Israel have given Gaza residents 24 hours to leave, which is an impossible task, IDF have their army poised to enter Gaza. Who knows how this well end, so tensions could be high.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/10/2023 10:42

Also not meaning to diminish the fears of Jewish Londoners or indeed Londoners from the Middle East, who all must be warey of reprisals. The sad fact is that Jewish schools in this country have high security at all times, which tells you something (something very sad).

Feraldogmum · 13/10/2023 10:42

As someone whose eldest brother was caught up in the July 7 bombings many years ago,I fully understand your fear.
He survived by being in the 2nd carriage up from the blast , showered in debris but he and his wife were unhurt. I remember the awful gut churning wait of several hours to find out he was OK, we had known he was on one of the trains involved.
Since then I've been scared of flying ( funny as eldest brother retired fast jet pilot) never been keen to be honest but absolutely hate flying now ,to the extent I actually got of a flight to Sweden before take off.
We have these fears for a reason,it's called self preservation. In the past I would have told you the likelihood of anything happening to you is very small, and I do think that security around tourist areas and public transport will be high, however as so many armed police have handed in their guns ,security will not be full unless the army is drafted in. There is of cause the additional fact that the Met seem more concerned about social causes than upholding the law,all a terrorist would have to do is chuck on a Just Stop Oil t-shirt and Bobs your uncle,police escort anywhere you like.

Archymum · 13/10/2023 10:42

I'm a Jew in London. Our community is devastated beyond words, but it does not feel any different on the ground today than it did a week ago. I'm still taking the tube, going to work, taking my daughter to school.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/10/2023 10:41

My goodness. London is hardly caught up in the horrific violence in the Middle East. London is no more in danger than any other UK cities.

What about people who live in London? Should we not be leaving our homes?

Unless by London you mean places like Oxford Street, Leicester Square or similar - that’s not London that’s just a tourist trap. Go to the South Bank (not the awful bit near the London eye) or Greenwich, or Richmond Park, Kew Gardens, or anywhere that isn’t those mad “West End” places and you’ll be fine. Not because I think there’s massively likely to be any violence in those places but they’re awful an, and that’s where the protests were.

I was very close to being involved in 7/7 myself so not saying it isn’t scary, but you’d be cutting out much of the UK if you avoided anywhere where anything bad had ever happened.

user1497207191 · 13/10/2023 10:40

No, I try to avoid London like the plague. It's dirty, grimy and far too crowded. I've been once in the last decade and that was enough. Would die happy enough if I never went again.

I was there on the day of the bus bombings (how unlucky can you be, I only go there once a decade or so!) - luckily nowhere near the bombs, but there was chaos throughout the city. Huge numbers of scared people unable to get any transport out, unable to book hotel rooms for the night, literally having to walk miles, with no idea where to go, shops, cafes etc all closed, so not even anywhere to go for a sit down and drink. No information/guidance about what to do. No officials able to help. It was a nightmare.

MasterBeth · 13/10/2023 10:38

Around 50 were killed in London.

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 10:38

@ShellySarah no explain to a Londoner who also “survived” 🙄

Ginmonkeyagain · 13/10/2023 10:38

I am am Londoner who lived and worked in London through numerous terrorist attacks (my office at the time was oppostite Edgeware Road tube station), protests and riots.

London is a big place and I am in central London right now - it is calm and fine. I was at a meeting just off Whitechapel high st on Wednesday and things were fine.

That said I do not want to diminish the impact of all this right now on Jewish Londoners - it is horrific people should feel so unsafe in their own city.

ShellySarah · 13/10/2023 10:38

HarpieDuJour · 13/10/2023 10:35

I was a very young child in London in the late 80s early 90s when the IRA were still around. I survived.

I was a young child at about the same time. Not in London, but in places where the risk of attack was actually higher. I survived, clearly, since I am typing this. My neighbour was blown to pieces in front of his family. So me not being harmed was in no way an indication of the general level of risk.

Again my meaning has gone over your head.

I meant when we were children there was a far bigger threat. Proper organised, armed and funded terrorism. The majority of people survived living in London through the IRA.

Therefore the OP shouldn't concern herself with this.

Cyclebabble · 13/10/2023 10:38

I work in London. TBH these days terrorism can occur anywhere. London is quite well policed. It is highly likely that terrorists would look at targets in other urban centres. My attitude is always to be careful but not to change my plans or lifestyle radically. If we do this terrorism wins.

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 10:37

I’m a Londoner with Irish family who lived in Belfast during the Troubles so my risk level had a little more perspective….

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 10:35

@MasterBeth in London?

HarpieDuJour · 13/10/2023 10:35

I was a very young child in London in the late 80s early 90s when the IRA were still around. I survived.

I was a young child at about the same time. Not in London, but in places where the risk of attack was actually higher. I survived, clearly, since I am typing this. My neighbour was blown to pieces in front of his family. So me not being harmed was in no way an indication of the general level of risk.

ShellySarah · 13/10/2023 10:34

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 10:31

I was a very young child in London in the late 80s early 90s when the IRA were still around. I survived.

Why on earth would you not have survived the IRA?!

I won't bother to explain as my meaning has gone over your head.

Kazziek · 13/10/2023 10:34

@duchiebun because they were bombing London a fair bit? I know people who were killed and injured by the IRA in London.

duchiebun · 13/10/2023 10:34

OP, if it helps there is an increased police presence.