To think we should avoid London right now?

You know it's kind of shit to tell Jews and Muslims who have genuine reason to be afraid that we are 'caving in' or 'living in a bubble'.

I've spent my whole life in London travelling by public transport and on foot. I don't rely on taxis or cars, I'm not in any sort of bubble.

But I have genuine reason to believe that my kids and I are at real risk at the present moment..

Just because you feel immune from that doesn't mean we are all so lucky.

Born in London and have lived right next to an iconic landmark all my life. Things are normal and don't feel any different. If you don't feel comfortable then don't go.

@namechange10894 Sorry people have been treating you differently and it's making you nervous when you're alone. I think as British Muslims and British Jews we have a lot more in common than many realise, especially just now.

Yeah, just cave in, why not. In fact, don't venture outside of your bubble.

I hadn’t thought about it to honest. However I did go to visit my Jewish friends yesterday and did notice police presence around the area. I’m Muslim and have seen a change in peoples behaviour towards me this past week, so I was a little worried when I was alone for a short while yesterday.

@mirax thank you. It’s frightening how quickly my family have turned into outsiders, having worked and lived in the Uk all our lives. It’s been sad to see how little businesses or media or anyone have come out in recognition that you might be feeling pretty scared as a Jewish Brit right now.

Not all of us are callous amoral shits. We have the back of one of the tiniest and most integrated communities in the UK, Okeydokedeva. No equivalence from me.

Oh that’s alright then!

update for you on anti semitic assaults - up 324% in a week.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/community-security-trust-tom-tugendhat-hamas-israelis-minister-b2428241.html

Update for you about the broken windows

https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/23848037.pita-golders-green-restaurant-not-target-hate-crime/

Yes. my children are aged 13 and 11 and this week i have spoken to them about never revealing to anyone that I / we are Jewish. DS1 said he had told his class I was Jewish last year when Judaism came up and I confess my blood ran cold because i had not known that.

When the Russian invasion of Ukraine happened I asked my DS to look out for the little Russian girl in his class in case people decided to scape goat her. I am on the side of Ukraine clearly (great GM< born in Odessa and i lived In Ukraine for 3 years) but my thought was that the stupid and ignorant would possibly target her.

I am genuinely afraid that the stupid and ignorant might target my boys - in our little rural village in bucolic rural England.

I am jewish and needed to travel to central London on the tube today. I was no more worried about a terrorist attack than I was last month.

I was however worried about a personal attack and removed a star of David charm from my bracelet.

NK are extremely fringe, to put it politely and don't represent the vast majority of UK Jews. Almost all of us have links to Israel- I have never been there myself but I have personal links to 3 people confirmed dead, 2 missing, and many more friends/family that i am very worried about.

NK were the group that legitimised the only genuinely antisemitic political leader of recent times by posing with him as his "Jewish friends".

Because they too support the annihilation of Israel.

They are really really not typical of British Jews at all. The rest of us have many differences in how we practise or don't practise, how we identify, how we dress or pray (or don't pray), but they are really unrepresentative.

It's a bit like taking the Westboro Baptist Church as representative of Christianity.

Yes we should, but that report comes from a reliable verified source. There are a lot of people who have popped up online in the past couple of days, as more horrific images, videos and witness statements emerge, to claim they're 'AI', 'deepfake', whatever .

Unfortunately, they are not. They are real. They are understandably so horrific that many people would rather believe they are hideous propaganda, rather than facing up to the reality. Which is the stuff of true nightmares. 😟

The kind of place where someone parking in the wrong place gets shared all over social media…that kind of place 😀

No. It would never occur to me not to go.

My point is this is a religious thing. You can bury your head in the sand all you want. There was a teacher murdered in France, almost to the day another teacher Samuel Paty was murdered and beheaded (coincidence eh, this beheading tic?) 3 years ago. Many of you march behind terror supporting scum in the name of human rights.

@StayorgoLDN

I have been in the situation of coming into London during a terrorist attack and travelling around it in the immediate aftermath. And experienced living in a city with disruption/protest/attacks.
None of that was pleasant and I don’t want to spend money on a repeat performance.

Fine. But those of us who live here have been dealing with this for decades. And millions of people have autistic or ND children and cope perfectly well. I don't have ND children but I have a child with severe asthma and I've had to cancel multiple holidays because of it.

It's stressful, yes and its shit. But we all deal with it. You seem to be centring all of this on you and your family as if you're the only people to have dealt with this unique trauma. Also making it all about London and the Middle East when really it has nothing to do with either of those topics.

Don't know. When I worked in London it was "severe". Life needs to go on.🙄

@BlurredEdges I know, I already corrected the post. Twitter has labelled the photos with a misinformation warning that they are AI generated. That's why I questioned it - which feels fair! We should questions things we hear on social media.

London "on the ground" is very much business as normal.

I think there's very much an attitude of "live your life however you like, otherwise terror wins."

If you really are massively uncomfortable with the idea, then obviously don't go. But try not to let "maybes" ruin what would otherwise be a lovely trip.

Walked through Stamford Hill today (for context for non Londoners, this is an area with a large and very visible Orthodox Jewish population)

Can't say I noticed anything different apart from posters up about kidnapped Israelis. Schools open. Apparently more police patrols going on and I did see a police car outside a parade of Jewish shops but nothing very obviously different from usual.
I'm sure they have more security at schools and synagogues than usual (sadly they've have long had more security than normal schools) but certainly still plenty of Orthodox Jews walking around and getting on with their Fridays.

Judaism is complex - some orthodox Jews sects like Netueri Karta which can be found in Stamford Hill are anti-zionists and sometimes burn the Israeli flag...
They believe Jews are not allowed to have their own state until the coming of the Jewish messiah so believe the creation of the state of Israel is against God's will.

This. And it’s all so obvious. Also the grief vulture type stuff really is poor form.

I live in London and work in the city. Noticed no difference at all.