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Is this neglect?

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Thanksforreading · 29/09/2023 18:19

So DD has been attending this nursery for well over a year and we have never had a problem till last night. She is 2 years old.

I picked her up from nursery as usual (Thursday 5.45pm), and run her bath, take off her clothes and get her to sit on her potty. Before she sits on her potty she touches her thigh and says “ouchie” and “help me” so I have a look and I notice a red mark on her inner thigh! (Photo one) I was a bit shocked, but told her it was okay, and decided not to give her a bath but just a quick shower down instead. She then tells me “itchy” she’s got very limited words, so when she tells me itchy I was a bit confused as well, still not too sure what to make of it but I dress her and email nursery about my concerns. (6.30pm)
Husband gets back, and he looks, sends over a very strong email to nursery. By 7.30pm her mark is looking 100% like a burn mark from friction and it’s weeping hard, we just clean it a bit and pop aloe Vera on it, DD is super upset with lots tears and telling us “pain”
We have woken up to (photo 2) this morning to darken area of the weeping area. Nursery has replied this morning with an email saying they will investigate and give them day to get back to us.
No courtesy call nothing not even an apology or sorry to hear that this has happened, just they will investigate. Nursery closes at 6 pm.
I’ve managed to book our DD in with the doctors and they have confirmed with a written document, confirming it is a friction burn. I’ve given them till 530Pm and have tried calling them three times and no one has picked up and the voice message box is also full. I feel like my daughter has been at the hands of neglect now, and it is now a Friday evening, so this will be left till Monday morning at least. Am I being unreasonable or am I just asking for too much? This is a private nursery and we pay £94 a day for childcare.

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TheMagicDeckchair · 29/09/2023 22:02

I had a sore just like this under one of my breasts about 18m ago. It started off blister like, I guess like your first photo and looked exactly like the second photo shortly afterwards. It was very painful, and sort of achy? Eventually the skin recovered by applying a plaster over the wound daily for a few days, it took a while to heal given its location, and my bra rubbing against it.

I think it was caused by not having time to dry myself off properly after showering (thanks baby twins!) and the damp skin rubbing underneath. So it wouldn't surprise me if something damp had been rubbing against her leg, possibly a wet nappy.

Hope she recovers soon and you get a satisfactory response from nursery. Mine are the same age and I would definitely be seeking answers from them if they came home with a wound like that without explanation.

Ghostytoasty · 29/09/2023 21:59

Mumof2teens79 · 29/09/2023 21:28

If it was a "friction burn" it wouldn't get worse unless something was still rubbing.
The fact it got worse means it happened while she was with you.

I had friction burn a while ago. It started white then over time reddened and darkened as it scabbed, I wonder if that’s similar here? It because of the depth the burn went down to, if that makes sense.

Clarich007 · 29/09/2023 21:52

Looks very sore OP.
I hope you can sort it out soon.
Sounds very strange but something similar happened to me a few years ago.We were eating lunch in a restaurant.I suddenly felt faint and passed out banging my head hard on a wall.
An ambulance came and checked me over.I was mortified to find out I had wet myself and had to travel home 2 hours in wet trousers.I couldn't believe the burns next day on my thighs.

TheLightProgramme · 29/09/2023 21:51

Im confused about the order of the photos.

The first looks mild - i could imagine it being caused by a full nappy rubbing on chubby thighs. Not ideal but it happens - a big wee fills a nappy fast.

The second looks like its bleeding/open. Unless there had been urine/faeces sitting on the skin between photos 1 & 2 im not clear as to how it gets so much worse

Mumof2teens79 · 29/09/2023 21:50

RandomButtons · 29/09/2023 21:37

No, chemical burns worsen over many hours. DH had creosote burn and it was 24 hours before it showed properly. Nappy contents could surely do the same.

Should only really do that if still in contact with whatever caused it. If she was washed it would have helped. Maybe a bath would have been better than the quick shower.

But if that's the case, then the nursery would have had no idea it was even happening.

Knifeandforkwhocares · 29/09/2023 21:47

Some sort of allergy to a plant? There’s one that can cause burns.

quite frankly I think you are being a bit OTT.

SamPoodle123 · 29/09/2023 21:43

This summer my dd on two separate occasions got a friction burn. One on her leg and I could not quite figure out what happened...but guessed it must have happened on the trampoline. She could not quite tell me and I was around plus family the entire time....there was no obvious incident (but we had a trampoline where we were staying at the time). Anyway, my point is, I can imagine how if there were a class of a few kids they might not have been able to notice. My dd did not say anything (age 3) and I only noticed it and questioned what happened, but she was not able to really tell me. My only guess was it must have happened on the trampoline....and I was always around, but for example she could be playing and I would be a few feet away hanging laundry or helping my older dc with math etc. So I was not able to actually see or know when the friction burn happened because she did not cry when it happened. I only discovered it later.

SAme thing when she got it at a funfair bouncy slide type thing. It suddenly appeared and I noticed and questioned her, but she never alerted me to it...but I knew it happened at the funfair bc it was not on her arm at the start...but then appeared. And she had been on these bouncy castle type thing.

Shadow1986 · 29/09/2023 21:41

It looks like a friction burn from a soggy nappy, possibly rubbing while she was on her walk. I’m sure I saw something very similar on here recently from the exact same thing.

Catsafterme · 29/09/2023 21:37

RandomButtons · 29/09/2023 21:35

You can’t cause a friction burn with your hand surely? As kids in the 90’s the boys all used to give us “Chinese burns” where they’d grab your arm and twist separate ways, hurt like hell, never actually damaged the skin.

much more likely to be from overfull nappy.

I dunno, was just an idea considering the location although la bruise more likely I guess. I would say nappy rubbing myself and if the crystals leaked, they may, combined with wee cause irritation but not entirely sure whether would. Definitely seen those kind of marks from a nappy though just not weeping.

RandomButtons · 29/09/2023 21:37

Mumof2teens79 · 29/09/2023 21:28

If it was a "friction burn" it wouldn't get worse unless something was still rubbing.
The fact it got worse means it happened while she was with you.

No, chemical burns worsen over many hours. DH had creosote burn and it was 24 hours before it showed properly. Nappy contents could surely do the same.

RandomButtons · 29/09/2023 21:35

Catsafterme · 29/09/2023 21:18

The only conclusions I can come up with:

A full nappy being left on too long, if it starts to leak the nappy starts to rub with the moisture. I won't go into detail but I've seen similar marks on mine. Not to this extent but similar location.

The only other thing I can think of is if someone has been changing the nappy but has held her leg down and causes a friction burn with their hand.

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You can’t cause a friction burn with your hand surely? As kids in the 90’s the boys all used to give us “Chinese burns” where they’d grab your arm and twist separate ways, hurt like hell, never actually damaged the skin.

much more likely to be from overfull nappy.

autumnmakesmehappy · 29/09/2023 21:32

It is hard, without more information, to determine if this is neglect. However, the fact that your nursery failed to contact you to discuss this injury and your concerns is unacceptable. Request an urgent meeting with management on Monday.

Mumof2teens79 · 29/09/2023 21:28

If it was a "friction burn" it wouldn't get worse unless something was still rubbing.
The fact it got worse means it happened while she was with you.

soggybottomsforlife · 29/09/2023 21:28

Could there be a rope she has climbed over and caught it and got a rope burn (haven't read the whole thread so sorry if it's been suggested)

Catsafterme · 29/09/2023 21:28

There could be a chance that if it was a full nappy that was left on too long, that it tore and the crystals caused a reaction. Just an idea.

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What an ignorant, idiotic question. Why don't you mind your own business?

Differentstarts · 29/09/2023 21:25

I think I would be getting a 2nd opinion from the drs before I did anything further. I would also keep her off nursery until after they have communicated properly with you. I think in my non medical opinion its possible to be some kind of skin issue or allergic reaction with her saying it's itchy it's also highly possible she scratched and picked at it during the night which has made it worse.

SmileyClare · 29/09/2023 21:23

It’s very poor that her nursery didn’t get back to you today as they said they would.

Like you say- even showing some sympathy and care and enquiring how she is today would have given you some reassurance that they’re taking your complaint/ query seriously? (And that they actually care!)

Do they keep any sort of nappy log or do they have CCTV in the nursery?

I think it’s very likely that they won’t come up with an explanation on Monday, so you need to think how you’d like this investigated.
My guess would be that they’ll say she didn’t show any discomfort on Thursday and they didn’t notice a visible sore when changing her.

SpringViolet · 29/09/2023 21:20

Actually aloe vera is very good for inflammation and chafing and probably relieved the chafing around the area where the skin has come off so I don’t think you did wrong by applying it all at.

Neverhadapaddle · 29/09/2023 21:18

@Thanksforreading there has been a very similar thread recently. I can't remember the name to search for it unfortunately. But the story was that their similar age child was taken by nursery to a park on a walk, they didn't take any spare nappies and the child had a dirty nappy whilst there. They walked the child home with the dirty nappy and she ended up with almost identical friction burns to what your DD has. Hopefully someone might remember the thread and be able to direct you there. I would say this is a friction burn from walking/staying a long time in a wet/dirty nappy.
I have a 2yo DD and I know sometimes if she does a big wee her nappy is half way down her thigh! Imagine walking yourself with that between legs. Hope your DD is ok. And to the obnoxious poster who mentioned her pick up time, we don't get DD until 1800!

Catsafterme · 29/09/2023 21:18

The only conclusions I can come up with:

A full nappy being left on too long, if it starts to leak the nappy starts to rub with the moisture. I won't go into detail but I've seen similar marks on mine. Not to this extent but similar location.

The only other thing I can think of is if someone has been changing the nappy but has held her leg down and causes a friction burn with their hand.

Tempone · 29/09/2023 21:16

It might have also been a poorly fitting nappy, as opposed to full.

WomanAtTheBack · 29/09/2023 21:14

If you look at the first picture, there’s clearly evidence that something was hanging down chafing along the area. The bit where the skin has come off and is a wound is likely to be where the edge of the sodden nappy rubbed more deeply on the skin.

That nappy was on a very long time, likely all day. Was she wearing the same trousers OP? They’ll probably smell strongly of urine in that area.

I’d be raging.

Thanksforreading · 29/09/2023 21:09

Marmite17 · 29/09/2023 20:59

Agree. Perhaps an allergy or baby has scratched? I wouldn't assume the nursery are to blame.

@cardibach @Marmite17 first photo is weeping and oozing of the wound (also in bedroom light) and the second is the next morning 13 hours after and darker red because of scabbing (morning natural light) hence the massive difference in colours.

at the moment her only allergies is to aubergine, but it’s large blotches when she’s eaten that, besides that her skin is really good, super smooth and no issues.

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CuriouslyMinded · 29/09/2023 21:09

It does look ever so much worse in the second photo. I wonder if she has been scratching it in her sleep - especially if she was saying "itchy". Like other posters, I wonder if it is a soggy nappy or a leggings seam that has rubbed over the course of hours.
Not necessarily neglect, but I'd be questioning how frequently the nursery are changing nappies and why it wasn't flagged to you when you collected her.
I hope your little one feels better soon, OP