Train delay and School comments

Is that to me?

Once again that's not what I said.

the OP is suggesting that any child who is not as happy as a daisy is that way because they have not had enough adversity in their life to build sufficient resilience

Which is an incredibly privileged viewpoint to take

Because the kid who got home and was slapped about a bit for getting in at 3am is supposed to skip around being all happy that next time a train is cancelled they won't be stressed out at all and they will be so much more resilient or some such nonsense

They aren't allowed to not be happy or to not be as insoucient as the OPs son because that would mean they haven't had enough adversity in their life to make them resilient

Imagine a teacher planning the next school trip thinking "Is there a kid likely to be abused in whatsoever way", "Yes", "Best to avoid this trip".
Sad.

You’re being ridiculous now. Any teacher I know that thought abuse might be the outcome of a mishap on a school trip already has these kids on their radar and work with them with a keen eye on safeguarding. Not planning trips around the possibility of a child being abused on their return.

Once again can you point to where I said I was abused on a school trip

Again you are making things up

Or where I have suggested there are no school trips as a result of a fear I don't have

Are you even reading other peoples posts or just using them as fodder to twist to suit your agenda

Imagine a teacher planning the next school trip thinking "Is there a kid likely to be abused in whatsoever way", "Yes", "Best to avoid this trip".
Sad.

Why is that sad?
Are you saying a child suffering abuse is an acceptable consequence of a school trip?

Teachers DO plan trips thinking that, it is called risk management. They consider all the risks to the safety and happiness of staff and children involved and implement mitigation strategies. If the conclusion is that all children can't be kept safe on a particular trip then yes the answer is "best to avoid this trip".
In what way is that sad?

“whatever" may equal to "I have gone through COVID, this is small fry"

Many people suggest on this thread that having suffered COVID, no experience can come close to it's disruption.

In that case why do kids need to go through the train issues to understand life doesn’t always go to plan and to be pushed out their comfort zone?

You’re not making any sense

Yes, 100% agree.

This thread started because one of our Sons, has the same trip planned, and I showed him the article. His reply "whatever".

Perhaps he was baffled why you were showing him. Or a news story about an event that has already been resolved is not as stressful as being in the middle of that event, not knowing how or if it will be resolved. Knowing some kids got a coach late at night is not as stressful as it being late at night and not knowing if you will be able to get home or not.

Perhaps your son (and you) need a bit more empathy.

Not really. I remember it as an entirely passive experience. We sat around eating from the vending machines. As an adult you would just make your own way home or to a hotel, not sit around all night waiting for someone else to sort it out. If i wanted my children to learn resilience and problem solving, this isn't how I would do it.

But her child is the best don't you know, and all other children are wholly devoid of resilience due to substandard parenting and teaching

What do you expect other kids to do? Throw themselves at your feet fearful for their life and beg you to keep them home forever? Your child reacted in a typical way, he isn't especially resilient or cooler or smarter than other kids for not instantly assuming something similar but worse will happen to him

You mean me talking about my own personal abuse and how this would have played out for me is "a little too overplayed"

But you talking about your sons experiences is fine

Sure sure

Imagine a teacher planning the next school trip thinking "Is there a kid likely to be abused in whatsoever way", "Yes", "Best to avoid this trip".
Sad

Explain where I said this. You are just making things up here.

So school has made your kids stupid / scared, they already feel like it's best to expect disappointment and yet what you want for your kids is more experiences where they're left cold, hungry and vulnerable because that'll make their adult life ... more devoid of hope and expectations??

🤣 I meant yeah, this.
They're 12 so would have been 8/9 so plenty old enough to understand being pulled out of school and locked up indoors. They'll have missed school experiences they knew older years had and younger years will have. Possibly their end of school parties and residentials. They'll be old enough to have understood losing family members to COVID without the usual rituals that ease death like family goodbyes and funerals.

These kids aren't living some halcyon existence!!

Because the current rigid structures of learning developed over 3 decades have dumbed down, or instilled fear in Children.

As opposed to caning children in school? That didn't instil fear?

As I mentioned earlier, this thread was started when I showed our son the news of the same trip he will undergo in November, same operator, same destination. His response "whatever", he is smarter than me.

As would most other people, 12 year olds or adults!
Literally no one has said they would be scared for life, but the opposite of that isn't to be happy with something. Someone is allowed to be unhappy with poor service and not be labelled as not being resilient, fearful or worried about future journeys.
You're arguing with yourself at this point because no one is saying the things you keep repeating.

And if the teachers hadn't managed to get a coach? Which was pure luck. You'd be so cool with your kid sleeping in Preston train station overnight with just a handful of teachers who would have been exhausted?
The news isn't just for the catastrophic but will be part of a wider commentary on the state of the railways and Avanti, some positive press for teachers etc.

I have no exp of secondary that's why I asked which one, but surely all primaries are back to normal. Obv shit for the kids in those end years that lost it due to COVID

But nobody is saying the kids will be scarred for life, just that it's ok to call a rubbish experience, a rubbish experience and not be 'a bit happy' about it. They managed fine from the sounds of it, but they were (I believe) the only passengers left without an appropriate way home. It's OK for them not to enjoy that!

This, in spades

Why are you so obsessed with kids learning things don't always go to plan? I'm pretty sure lots of things in their lives don't go to plans