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To desperately want a 3rd?

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RandomButtons · 25/09/2023 23:35

Honestly my heart and my head are in constant battle at the moment. We have two beautiful kids. I always wanted a 3rd, but traumatic 2nd birth and then lockdown madness and work put a pause on it all. Now I’m rapidly approaching 40 and it feel like now or never.

But, I’m self employed and it would be a nightmare rearranging clients. I’d probably loose a whole year’s income. We have a small 3 bed house, and I don’t think we could make kids share with the larger age gaps. I found the newborn stage so so so hard. I don’t have the best health- though nothing that would cause complications, just make it harder.

My logical thinking says no. Enjoy what you’ve got. Everything else is desperate for another.

would I be mad to have another?

if I don’t how the hell do I get over this?

YABU - don’t do it
YANBU - do it

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RandomButtons · 26/09/2023 19:58

Happyandtired · 26/09/2023 19:42

I've just had my son after 2 daughters. Our middle child is six, I didn't get to choose when I had them as we had fertility treatment. Some cycles failed and some were a success so my ages are 11, 6 and 7months.

We started trying for a 3rd in 2019, I just knew I wasn't done. My first attempt I didn't respond to the meds, the 2nd cycle was cancelled due my vitamin d levels being low, then Boris shut down the country. Between lockdowns and my clinic closing we were on and off for months, we caught 3 x and had very early losses. I was beyond devastated. With the time ticking on, our gaps getting bigger and the heartbreak of miscarriage people thought I was insane to continue. Everyone just kept telling me I should be happy with what I have. I was, but something inside me just wouldn't let it go.

Now, here I am nursing my boy 4 years in the making. He is our world, the girls love him, his dad dotes on him and my heart I'd so unbelievably full. I feel complete and also done. My head and heart match and I'm so grateful I didn't listen to anyone.

There are challenges like a 3 bed house, finding stuff we can all do together and wow the sleepless nights hit different but we just make it work. I have absolutely no regrets.

Congratulations! So glad you have your little boy 😄I bet his big sisters are so proud

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RandomButtons · 26/09/2023 19:56

Mastersstudent83 · 26/09/2023 18:42

Something that I don't think has been mentioned by previous posters is that you say you have HMS and suffered SPD in a previous pregnancy, requiring crutches. I too am hypermobile and had another baby after suffering SPD in a previous pregnancy. I thought I could manage but SPD often gets more severe each pregnancy, so I was completely debilitated from week 12 in my last pregnancy, complete agony. I couldn't even roll over in bed without crying in pain. I spent 6 months lying in bed or sitting propped on a chair, unable to walk, drive, do anything really.

It had a severe impact on my existing children's quality of life. My husband had to leave his job to be my full time carer for the rest of the pregnancy, which destroyed us financially and caused immense stress. Most people recover from SPD soon after birth, but because I'm hypermobile, I still suffer nearly 10 years later having undergone extensive physio and osteopathy. This could happen to you too so PLEASE consider this.

Thank you - yes the SPD was much worse in 2nd pregnancy (I assumed because I had a toddler in tow who wanted carrying). It took a lot of expensive private physio after birth to sort it out. I’d genuinely forgotten how bad it was, no way I’d manage if it was worse than that.

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Happyandtired · 26/09/2023 19:42

I've just had my son after 2 daughters. Our middle child is six, I didn't get to choose when I had them as we had fertility treatment. Some cycles failed and some were a success so my ages are 11, 6 and 7months.

We started trying for a 3rd in 2019, I just knew I wasn't done. My first attempt I didn't respond to the meds, the 2nd cycle was cancelled due my vitamin d levels being low, then Boris shut down the country. Between lockdowns and my clinic closing we were on and off for months, we caught 3 x and had very early losses. I was beyond devastated. With the time ticking on, our gaps getting bigger and the heartbreak of miscarriage people thought I was insane to continue. Everyone just kept telling me I should be happy with what I have. I was, but something inside me just wouldn't let it go.

Now, here I am nursing my boy 4 years in the making. He is our world, the girls love him, his dad dotes on him and my heart I'd so unbelievably full. I feel complete and also done. My head and heart match and I'm so grateful I didn't listen to anyone.

There are challenges like a 3 bed house, finding stuff we can all do together and wow the sleepless nights hit different but we just make it work. I have absolutely no regrets.

RampantIvy · 26/09/2023 19:01

Good point @Mastersstudent83.

I'm a head over heart type of person and I simply cannot fathom why women would put their own lives at risk and consequently affecting those of the children they already have and their partner. If almost looks like selfishness - I want another child come what may, sod everyone else.

Mastersstudent83 · 26/09/2023 18:42

Something that I don't think has been mentioned by previous posters is that you say you have HMS and suffered SPD in a previous pregnancy, requiring crutches. I too am hypermobile and had another baby after suffering SPD in a previous pregnancy. I thought I could manage but SPD often gets more severe each pregnancy, so I was completely debilitated from week 12 in my last pregnancy, complete agony. I couldn't even roll over in bed without crying in pain. I spent 6 months lying in bed or sitting propped on a chair, unable to walk, drive, do anything really.

It had a severe impact on my existing children's quality of life. My husband had to leave his job to be my full time carer for the rest of the pregnancy, which destroyed us financially and caused immense stress. Most people recover from SPD soon after birth, but because I'm hypermobile, I still suffer nearly 10 years later having undergone extensive physio and osteopathy. This could happen to you too so PLEASE consider this.

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 26/09/2023 18:16

TomatoSandwiches · 26/09/2023 10:01

My third turned out to be very disabled and has seriously affected all our lives, it isn't as rare of an occurance as you think either.
I'm trying to not be dismissive of your good work with families such as mine but you have absolutely no idea of what day to day life is like, you can not comprehend the relentlessness of someone needing you 24/7 and still having to fight for what they very clearly need.
I have missed out on so much with my eldest two, if I could go back in time I would stick with two, children need you more as they get older imo, it's incredibly hard.

And this, I have to say, is the reason why I would never risk a child - 3rd or 2nd or even 1st - past the age of 40. I could not cope. I would not cope. I wouldn't want to try to cope. I don't know how people do it, I really don't. We have 2 healthy NT children, (couple of years apart in age,) and for the most part they've been good kids/ARE good kids (now in their 20s.) Both left home now and totally independent.

But even with 2 like this, it's been quite hard work sometimes, not without its challenges, and expensive. We would not change a thing, ever, and love them to the moon and back, and they are wonderful, successful, kind young adults now who bring so much joy to our lives, and are great friends to us. But as I said, it's had its challenges and trials and tribulations. (Especially when they were between 14-15 and 20. A special kind of hell!)

All the spats and fights with other kids at school, (and their parents,) 12-13 years of school politics, fighting over toys and gadgets/wanting one each, the expense, 2 sets of clothes and school uniform and supplies, 2 small humans being totally dependant on you for everything, being mum's taxi and ferrying them everywhere, entertaining and tolerating their mates (who seemed to LOVE our house!,) and putting 2 young adults through uni, and the expense that entailed. That's just the tip of the iceberg! We have the expense of their weddings yet! I mean, we won't be paying for all of it, but we will be paying quite a lot.

Now we are aged 50-something with 2 young adult children who have left home, and we are very happy. All of us. I can't imagine having children who need a lot of care, and 24/7 demands, and to have no life to ourselves. And there would be no end to it, as children like this need care all their lives.

RandomButtons · 26/09/2023 16:48

TheaBrandt · 26/09/2023 10:36

Teens need a huge amount of support these days emotionally practically and financially. It’s not like when we were teens. We regularly breath a sigh of relief we stopped at 2.

You’re right. Plus we aren’t mega wealthy and I would like to plan better for retirement, helping kids with deposits etc.

I just don’t know how to get over this sadness. I think a large part of it is losing a sibling as a child and just wanting my kids to have the joy of growing up with other siblings. But sibling closeness isn’t guaranteed.

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RampantIvy · 26/09/2023 12:54

TheaBrandt · 26/09/2023 10:36

Teens need a huge amount of support these days emotionally practically and financially. It’s not like when we were teens. We regularly breath a sigh of relief we stopped at 2.

To quote an oft used and irritating phrase on mumsnet - This ^^ with bells on.

Your reasons for not having any more children far outweigh any positives you might gain.

thecatsthecats · 26/09/2023 10:42

It's my policy not to have more kids than I have hands.

All those threads that exist where women talk about buckling under the strain of three - you're not allowed to say "well why did you have three then?".

But you can say it on these threads. Don't have three.

TheaBrandt · 26/09/2023 10:36

Teens need a huge amount of support these days emotionally practically and financially. It’s not like when we were teens. We regularly breath a sigh of relief we stopped at 2.

redguitar123 · 26/09/2023 10:35

I've got two - at 40, I wouldn't roll that dice again, even without your health issues. Risks of complications all go up and even another healthy baby will impact on the time you have to spend with your current children.

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 26/09/2023 10:30

BreadInCaptivity · 26/09/2023 00:36

I think part of being a good parent means being honest about your capacity (emotional, physical and financial) to look after the children you already have and the impact of having more.

From your posts a third child would stretch you (and your household) in at least two respects (physical and financial) and in doing so arguably the third (emotionally) as a result.

I think you need to consider why 3 children? Why not 4?

Practically everything you have said would apply to a 4th as much as a 3rd. So why would that be a red line for you for example?

Do you think your two children would benefit from another sibling? Unlikely from what you have posted.

I think its actually quite common to have a panic as we come to the end of our fertility to think now or never and that can - as you describe- result in a war between heart and head.

To begin with I think you need to stop romanticising the idea of 3 children.

My friends who went from 2 to 3 found that step much harder than they imagined (1 to 2 being easy).

From a practical standpoint you face more logistical issues around different schools, transportation to actives where divide and conquer between two parents just doesn't cut it quite as easily.

Grandparents who were happy to provide emergency support/babysitting for two children finding it too hard to look after 3 now they are getting older themselves.

Obviously there are financial implications and also in your case practical ones in terms of household space.

Personally I think you need to focus on the family you have now and be content that you've been a good parent by acknowledging that another child would only fulfil your maternal urges rather than being in the best interests of the two children you already have.

I completely agree with this

hideundermyduvet2023 · 26/09/2023 10:28

This is 99.9% unanimous don't do it!

donkra · 26/09/2023 10:20

Don't put your hormones in the driving seat here. They're thick as pigshit, and they don't care how this turns out for you.

When it comes to the hard decisions like this, head has to be in charge.

hideundermyduvet2023 · 26/09/2023 10:17

There's nothing in your post to suggest it would be a good idea

If it's not broken.....

Stay clear

LittlePlumTree · 26/09/2023 10:06

Sorry but I wouldn’t in your situation

TomatoSandwiches · 26/09/2023 10:01

My third turned out to be very disabled and has seriously affected all our lives, it isn't as rare of an occurance as you think either.
I'm trying to not be dismissive of your good work with families such as mine but you have absolutely no idea of what day to day life is like, you can not comprehend the relentlessness of someone needing you 24/7 and still having to fight for what they very clearly need.
I have missed out on so much with my eldest two, if I could go back in time I would stick with two, children need you more as they get older imo, it's incredibly hard.

PrincessHoneysuckle · 26/09/2023 09:56

I'm.43

PrincessHoneysuckle · 26/09/2023 09:56

If your lifestyle allows it get a dog.
I have one ds and got a girl dog.
I can let any remaining broodyness out on her without giving birth again.Its great!

MatildaTheCat · 26/09/2023 09:55

You’ve been very practical about your thoughts on this. It’s very very common for women to get a surge in broodiness as they approach the end of their fertile years. In your place I would genuinely try and ride the wave.

I desperately wanted a third but DH didn’t want to. It took quite a while to go away but I did make my peace with it and am glad of my 2 fabulous now adult DC.

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 26/09/2023 09:52

Oh hell to the no. Shock Especially as you're nearly 40, and had a traumatic birth last time. Leave well alone. The urge will pass. Don't give in to it!

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 26/09/2023 09:49

Look at your other two children and tell yourself that it wouldn’t be fair, given health conditions, to spread yourself even thinner.

RandomButtons · 26/09/2023 09:48

YokoOnosBigHat · 26/09/2023 09:28

The health would be the kicker for me. I have lupus and fibromyalgia and we did want a third, but the recovery after number two when I was only 33 was tough and my body still hasn't recovered properly 8yrs on. I knew that doing it again as I approached 40 would be inviting another illness. I count my blessings and remember how lucky I am rather than dwell.

That’s been the big thing. I have hypermobility syndrome, get low blood pressure/faint, joint pain, vitamin d deficient and various injuries from HMS. Energy levels have fluctuated so much in the last couple of years. I manage, but pregnancy would be hard work (the first two were really tough. SPD I was on crutches)

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YokoOnosBigHat · 26/09/2023 09:28

The health would be the kicker for me. I have lupus and fibromyalgia and we did want a third, but the recovery after number two when I was only 33 was tough and my body still hasn't recovered properly 8yrs on. I knew that doing it again as I approached 40 would be inviting another illness. I count my blessings and remember how lucky I am rather than dwell.

RandomButtons · 26/09/2023 09:25

AvocadotoastORahouse · 26/09/2023 00:35

How to get over it?

Imagine your third child has major disability or extensive needs. More likely in older parents. You can no longer work as they need 24/7 care. Your husband fucks off as many, many of them do as they "can't cope" with the stress. He gets a new, shiny, kid free younger woman and doesn't bother taking the kids any more. You're alone, no money, no support, have to fight every battle to get whatever minimum the council/government deems suitable. You become seriously depressed and your first two kids are suffering due to your exhaustion, lack of time and funds.

This is the exact scenario of one of my closest friends. She loves her child but if she could turn back time, and stick at 2, she definitely would.

You can't assume you will have a happy healthy third. Think what you would do if this was what happened.

I’ve worked through a charity I support with several families that’s happened to, severely disabled kids. It’s rare but it’s all consuming, though the husbands haven’t scarpered - not all men are that useless.

Regardless it’s something I’m very aware of, and no, I’ve no idea how I’d cope mentally with the relentlessness of it.

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