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Trigger warning - rape?

208 replies

Notsure12348 · 22/09/2023 22:42

Name changed as pretty sensitive post. Please don’t read if possible sexual assault will be triggering for you.

Would really appreciate thoughts on whether the following situation would be considered rape/ sexual assault or just a misunderstanding or something else.

  • Female and male both attracted to each other and engaging in foreplay.
  • Female tells male she is happy to have sex but only if a condom is used. Very clear about this being a condition for sex.
  • Male says he doesn’t have any condoms and female doesn’t either, so agree no sex.
  • Kissing etc and naked, male on top of female.
  • Female feels something slightly entering vagina, assumes male’s fingers - fine with this.
  • Female realises it might be male’s penis so asks - he confirms it is.
  • Female tells male she is not comfortable with this, he replies “oh don’t say that” and immediately stops.

Not nescessarily directly impacting upon the above but following this:

  • Female and male continue to kiss etc.
  • Next morning male finds he does have a condom and they have sex.
  • Over text when female raises the previous issue, male replies along the lines of saying that he doesn’t understand why she is concerned as he has no STIs and that as they were naked, his penis was bound to touch her, but doesn’t deny that it did penetrate her.

AIBU:

  • Reasonable: it was rape or sexual assault.
  • Unreasonable: it was a misunderstanding or some other situation that was not an assault.
OP posts:
sillyuniforms · 22/09/2023 23:58

Tbh I'm a rape victim. Mine unusually was a an unknown male 12 years ago and I was walking home.
In my youth when I was in your circumstances OP & he stopped - no I would not class as rape.
Pushing luck maybe. Rape no

Mooshamoo · 22/09/2023 23:54

It's hard to know if he truly did it by accident

Mooshamoo · 22/09/2023 23:53

Did this happen to you?

I would feel uncomfortable if that happened to me yes. I'm thinking of it from the woman's point of view.

FannyFifer · 22/09/2023 23:52

Hmmm, agreement was sex only with a condom although they both maintained physical contact in that position without putting underwear back on, so possibly went from penis rubbing against clit or whatever to entry. He then stopped immediately.

I really dunno on this, personally I would not class as rape but understand that this would be very different for others who would class as such.

SirenSays · 22/09/2023 23:50

Stealthing.

sillyuniforms · 22/09/2023 23:48

I thought it said he stopped so no full penetration

Notsure12348 · 22/09/2023 23:23

Any other views?

OP posts:
INeedAnotherName · 22/09/2023 22:49

So-called 'stealthing' is a form of rape. It happens when people agree to have sex with a condom and then someone either lies about putting a condom on or removes it without the other person's permission.

Look up stealthing. They agreed no sex without a condom. She did not consent to sex without. It is rape.