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To make complaint against manager?

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darcymae · 22/09/2023 22:33

I have been with my employer for two years now and have just joined a new team.

I am also pregnant and due to go on Maternity Leave soon.

During a team brief via Teams my manager announced my pregnancy and completely put me on the spot.

I am a private person and have told few people and I feel really annoyed at that my Team Leader think she has a right to share such personal information with people I do not even know.

I work part time and soon after a few people were asking about my pregnancy and asking if that is the reason I only work work part time to get the full rate Maternity Pay.

I have had issues in my pregnancy and has been quite stressful and my Team Leader was asking me why I wanted to keep it a secret, none of her business at all!

I am thinking of making a complaint against her to HR
Am I being unreasonable?

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FallGall · 23/09/2023 14:28

Pfannkuchen · 23/09/2023 00:37

Another thing people get offended about, it's exhausting.

I guess the term "maternity cover" will have to disappear, as it's clearly a breach of privacy to share information about a pregnancy.

I can't picture how it will work: we are training "new person" but we can't tell you who they will replace, why or for how long, it's a secret.

This exactly what I was thinking!!!

PearlRuby · 23/09/2023 14:06

You would be much better of speaking to HR about the vicious toxic WhatsApp group to be honest!

Olika · 23/09/2023 13:59

Just have a chat with her. I think your new manager just has different approach to things in comparison to your old one
Some of your colleagues are stupid with their comments.

I totally get how annoyed you are as I would have been too. I didn't want anybody to know about mine as I had gone through MC with the previous pregnancy and I really wanted to see this time it would be ok. I also didn't want to really discuss my pregnancy with my colleagues etc as I just wanted that to be between my DH, my family and few of my closest friends who had children so they could give me advice.

You are going off soon anyway so soon you will be busy with your newborn and believe my you won't give a damn about these things.

nevynevster · 23/09/2023 09:49

Why don't you just have a word with your manager and say "I'm a private person and it made me a bit uncomfortable to have my pg announced without any prior warning. I am sure you were doing this with really good intentions but for the future if you could just let me know in advance so I can be aware that would be great as I get a bit uncomfortable in these situations otherwise. Thanks so much"

Simple. The manager probably thinks they were doing a nice thing so no need to go to hr

padsi1975 · 23/09/2023 09:41

Perhaps the whatsapp group that's full of nastiness is something that should be reported to HR.

Lucyintheskywithadiamond · 23/09/2023 09:20

YABU and it sounds like an odd way for you to behave at work. Mat leave and pregnancy is quite normal, I can’t see the issue here.

Houseplantmad · 23/09/2023 08:57

YABU. She didn’t “announce” it - she as giving an operational message.
You sound as if you want to just join the pile on of the manager. Please don’t report it. Leave HR alone to deal with proper issues.
Before your baby arrives, perhaps work on your sensitivity as you are giving a message of being an overly precious person. This won’t be easy for you to manage when your baby arrives if you don’t put strategies in place now.

Aprilx · 23/09/2023 08:49

Yes you are being incredibly unreasonable and are going to make yourself look ridiculous if you were to complain. If you had just told your manager that you are 7 weeks pregnant and high risk and she announced it, then I could see your point.

But you are about to go on maternity leave, why on earth wouldn’t the rest of the team be informed about this, it is relevant to the work situation and generally means some planning is required.

converseandjeans · 23/09/2023 08:20

YABU and it sounds like it was said in context of you not being around for a while. Not gossiping for the sake of it.

It's strange you don't want anyone to know about being pregnant when you're not far off maternity leave.

I'm shocked that there is a team WhatsApp group and majority of content is aimed at saying how awful the manager is. It sounds really nasty & toxic.

Were you planning to just disappear with no explanation?

VeridicalVagabond · 23/09/2023 02:12

You chose the wrong time to post OP, after 10pm Mumsnet is just full of vicious cowbags who've nothing better to do than be nasty for no reason to make themselves feel good. Like this is such a minor thing to get your teeth out for, people, maybe tone it down a few notches? Jeez.

Congratulations on your pregnancy. I understand why you're a bit perturbed as I'm a private person too and would prefer to share a pregnancy on my own terms, especially with a bunch of strangers. However a complaint is unlikely to get you anywhere and might just create unnecessary stress for you at an already stressful time. You'll be away with your whole head full of baby stuff very soon and this will seem like a tiny insignificant blip, which it is really.

Let this one go, focus on you and baby, and best of luck with everything.

Jibo · 23/09/2023 01:50

What were you planning to put on your out of office?

You sound like a nightmare. People like you are the reason employers swerve women of childbearing age.

EggTheParrot · 23/09/2023 01:33

@darcymae so you expected to just F off for a year and then 'ooh darcymae is returning to work but absolutely not because she had mat leave no.. you can decide why she wasn't here for a year.. oh well she's back now but don't ask how many kids she has because she'll get annoyed and post about you on Mumsnet

PowerVandhana1986 · 23/09/2023 01:28

Good time.

darcymae · 23/09/2023 01:24

onthenightfeed · 23/09/2023 01:16

"My old manager was taking the redundancy he never mentioned my pregnancy to anyone as he did say he would notify HR as there were procedures to follow.

My trainer had to advise HR of my pregnancy as I had to book time off work training to attend my 20 week scan and my trainer was keen to ensure that I got paid the 3 hours your entitled to take for appointments.

Apparently this was the first that the company had heard of the pregnancy and my now manager and HR had to have a Maternity Meeting with me."

I'm confused, were you expecting to just go on maternity leave without having told anyone at the company at all!? And the only reason anyone did know was just purely because of an appointment, and even that was then passed to HR indirectly? Did your midwife not inform you that you need to pass a MATB1 form onto HR in order to inform them of your upcoming leave?

Seems very strange that you want to rush to HR to complain about the manager for disclosing this very normal information, when you didn't even disclose this information to HR yourself as is necessary!

I can totally understand not wanting this information shared openly early on in your pregnancy if you've had scares, but if you're only a few weeks away from your maternity leave, then I think people need to know, otherwise where were you expecting them to think you've gone for several months?

I had told my old manager I was pregnant and he had assured me he would sort it out for me - he never did.

My employer was advised of my pregnancy way before the required 15 weeks before the due date.

It is the manner in which my manager disclosed my pregnancy via a live Teams Call putting me on the spot.

Anyway thanks to those who have been nice and respectful in replying to me.

I will leave it as that as I just dont get the nastiness of some posters.

I wouldnt of minded had she had asked beforehand or even mentioned it after I had left.

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ItsNotRocketSalad · 23/09/2023 01:22

People like you are why I never want to be a manager again. There's always one drama llama with no self-awareness.

mayorofcasterbridge · 23/09/2023 01:19

I have absolutely no idea why this is an issue?

You are pregnant? Correct.

You will be going off on maternity leave? Correct.

You really need to get over yourself. This isn't a state secret!

onthenightfeed · 23/09/2023 01:16

"My old manager was taking the redundancy he never mentioned my pregnancy to anyone as he did say he would notify HR as there were procedures to follow.

My trainer had to advise HR of my pregnancy as I had to book time off work training to attend my 20 week scan and my trainer was keen to ensure that I got paid the 3 hours your entitled to take for appointments.

Apparently this was the first that the company had heard of the pregnancy and my now manager and HR had to have a Maternity Meeting with me."

I'm confused, were you expecting to just go on maternity leave without having told anyone at the company at all!? And the only reason anyone did know was just purely because of an appointment, and even that was then passed to HR indirectly? Did your midwife not inform you that you need to pass a MATB1 form onto HR in order to inform them of your upcoming leave?

Seems very strange that you want to rush to HR to complain about the manager for disclosing this very normal information, when you didn't even disclose this information to HR yourself as is necessary!

I can totally understand not wanting this information shared openly early on in your pregnancy if you've had scares, but if you're only a few weeks away from your maternity leave, then I think people need to know, otherwise where were you expecting them to think you've gone for several months?

darcymae · 23/09/2023 01:15

NewName122 · 23/09/2023 01:09

Yabu what were you expecting to say when you've had a year off then magicaly reapear? Just... 'hi, I'm back' with no explanation? What were you expecting your manager to say when people notice the new person has left? Why are you wanting to hide your pregnancy?

For one it is my body and I have every right to do what I want and if I choose not to disclose my pregnancy that is up to me.

I never said for her not to tell people but she could of gave me a heads up and asked me before she decided to put me on the spot on a live Teams call!

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NewName122 · 23/09/2023 01:09

Yabu what were you expecting to say when you've had a year off then magicaly reapear? Just... 'hi, I'm back' with no explanation? What were you expecting your manager to say when people notice the new person has left? Why are you wanting to hide your pregnancy?

darcymae · 23/09/2023 00:57

@JaneIntheBox yes this is my first, I think I am super nervous as I have had quite a few scares.

The girl who I am friendly with was quite upset and messaged me as she thought she had done something wrong.

I havent really told many people in my private life either, just very close family and a few close friends.

There was a team outing ( which I didnt attend as I was not well ) where most of the team met face to face and the issues with my manager and the team stemmed from there.

It's not my style to be nasty and be unpleasant.

Thank you for your advice and providing a different perspective, sometimes another person's input/advice can prove to be more logical.

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LonelyDadNeedsHelp · 23/09/2023 00:57

I think some of the responses OP is getting are a bit harsh, and definitely no need to interrogate her on why she's working part time, why she's going on mat leave so soon after joining a new team etc. It's irrelevant to her question and women can do without that quite frankly.

I do think it's unrealistic to expect to go on maternity leave without anyone in your team ever being told at any point. Even if it doesn't impact their workload, they'll be wondering where you've gone and would be asking: did you resign, get fired, go on long term sick leave, maternity leave? I would imagine some people would need to be told at some point.

However, as someone who manages a team I would never announce someone's personal news without discussing with the person first to agree how/when they'd like the team to be informed. Certainly not putting you on the spot like that, it's unacceptable and unprofessional.

Without knowing the manager, it's impossible to know whether she did it because she's inexperienced or just completely lacking in tact or emotional awareness. As she's not someone you knew well or trusted, it might have been wise to tell her you didn't want it announced and to have that discussion, rather than assume/hope she wouldn't say anything.

I wonder what will be achieved by a formal complaint, perhaps it might be more productive to feedback to HR consrtuctively.

blueshoes · 23/09/2023 00:49

Glad the OP has seen the light

JaneIntheBox · 23/09/2023 00:45

darcymae · 23/09/2023 00:30

It just caught me of guard when she announced it during the team brief, and the girl I am friendly with was saying " Oh I didnt know you was pregnant, you never mentioned it".

I didnt know what to say.

I personally think the manager is OK and she has asked about staying in touch when I do go on Maternity Leave.
I have known her since July as she also trained with us.

Yeah some of the comments made about my manager are quite nasty on the WhatsApp group chat.
I tend to keep out of the badmouthing as she has always been OK with me.

Im glad I never made the complaint!

I dont think she meant anything by it as I dont get the impression she is nasty at all, if anything she comes across as quite lonely and has said that she wants to make friends.

That's understandable OP. Not sure if this is your first but it was quite unreasonable to presume that absolutely nobody would find out until you'd left. In the unlikely even that it had happened. You might still have been 'put on the spot' with people saying 'oh you never mentioned it' when you went back.

If you are really friendly with someone it's not unusual for them to wonder why you never mentioned it to them as it's big news but that's not professionally relevant and again, as it would have come out anyway not your manager's fault.

I'm glad you're not joining the rest of the group in slating her.

@blueshoes that's unnecessary - OP isn't making any complaint not sure what she's sticking the knife in about. This team sounds really cliquey and cruel.

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darcymae · 23/09/2023 00:42

MildredCurry · 23/09/2023 00:19

It may well be your manager's have spoken as part of the handover. Created a sense of "open knowledge". Nothing devious or underhand. Def talk about how it made you feel rather than heading to HR. That conversation will hopefully clear your concerns and help you to build a relationship when you return.

A relationship based on what YOU feel about your manager. Not everyone else. That whatsapp sounds toxic. I'd steer clear.

The bit about your trainer telling HR about the pregnancy - now that feels like it was your news to disclose and for you to put wheels in motion. Not theirs. How did you feel about that because IMO that's the thing to have gotten grumpy about.

My old manager was taking the redundancy he never mentioned my pregnancy to anyone as he did say he would notify HR as there were procedures to follow.

My trainer had to advise HR of my pregnancy as I had to book time off work training to attend my 20 week scan and my trainer was keen to ensure that I got paid the 3 hours your entitled to take for appointments.

Apparently this was the first that the company had heard of the pregnancy and my now manager and HR had to have a Maternity Meeting with me.

Yeah the WhatsApp group can be brutal towards my manager but I stay out of all the nastiness.

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