I still fancy RB

@Poptones Brand slept with 2000 women. As most of them were one night stands he has had the same amount of sex as the average person. Possibly less. Judging by his descriptions of those experiences many of them were demeaning for the women involved - he describes spitting on them and manipulation. Germaine Greer was probably right when she said the reason he had so many one nighters was because he wasn’t very good so most didn’t go back for seconds. .

Fact is after all this witch hunt, they can only find one woman who accuses him of actual rape.

You appear not to understand the definition of rape in the Sexual Offences Act 2003.

Oh whatever, shame on you for not wanting to hear two sides to a story.
If you actually read my posts you'd see I even said 'he is probably guilty but I cannot be sure'
I'm hardly sitting here proclaiming his innocence and godliness. Jesus Christ.

Yes. Shame on you for defending him.

Of course he's off the scale compared with the average man.

Yes, people do engage in rape fantasies and BDSM. Plenty of couples do so perfectly consensually. And there we have the key word: 'consent'.

The fact that these activities are engaged in by mutual or possibily even transactional agreement illustrates precisely where that line is drawn between consensual activity and rape (by that definition I include coercion).

Frankly I'm amazed this distinction needed pointing out to anyone.

THAT is how Brand is different from your average man.

Yep.

I mean there's plenty of actual video evidence of him sexually harassing and behaving extremely inappropriately with women, and there's the stuff he admitted to on air too like exposing himself to a woman.

The Caprice interview from years ago is just dreadful.

But hey, none of that matters because lots of women wanted to sleep with him, apparently.

I mean - it’s two instances of rape at least. Rape is hard to prove - a lot of the time it’s his word against hers. This investigation is 4 women whose allegations can’t be scared off by RB legal team so presumably they’re pretty watertight.

im still waiting to hear how many more allegations from different women who have nothing to gain from this it will take before poptones changes the tune. It’s hardly as if the notorious womaniser RB with very little respect for women is going to have treated them all impeccably except for these four isn’t it? Far more likely that many of the women have come away feeling uncomfortable with their encounters with him but how can you prove that? It’s not a crime but it’s not right either.

I hope any jury are a bit more open minded than poptones

Oh yeah @spookehtooth that's exactly it - the use of the phrase 'actual rape' in their last revolting post exposes @Poptones for what they are, as does 'witch hunt'. They would like to dismiss oral rape, attempted rape, sexual assault, indecent exposure and coercion as no big deal because they aren't 'actual rape' apparently.

Fact is after all this witch hunt, they can only find one woman who accuses him of actual rape.

You don't know that. You don't know that they can only find one person.

Fact is they've only found one person within their remit of time and scope.

@Poptones

@YearsOfTakingDownOurBanners If my memory is correct, I think one accusation is rape and the rest other offenses. I'm guessing the implication is therefore that the other incidents are lesser or not important. Kinda reminds me of how some people attempted to dismiss or minimise the Rubiales incident due to the lack of physical force or violence and how she managed the situation immediately afterwards. As if it somehow made everything okay.

Perhaps @Poptones might want to offer an alternative account for his behaviour?

Why are you saying again only one woman?

There are four in the documentary.

Ok @Poptones you are being completely disingenuous, as it has been pointed out to you repeatedly on here that there are at least four women accusing him. If you'd watched the documentary you'd know that.

The evidence has also been pointed out to you.

Your obsession with the '2000 women' is utterly bizarre.

You clearly don't want to engage in an actual discussion.

Nonsense.
As sick and disgusting as the subject is, a man is unlikely to have 2000 daughters.

Not comparable at all. And might I add we are talking about straight up cut and dried abuse in those incidences and not situations whereby any sexual activity may be consensual as in Brand and these women.

And why is it exactly victim blaming something that is an entirely valid observation?

Fact is after all this witch hunt, they can only find one woman who accuses him of actual rape.

One out of two thousand. Doesn't add up at all.

But women never lie do they? Not to say this woman is lying, but to not even give credence to the idea that she might be is as bad as saying Brand's definitely innocent.

I'm just weighing up the evidence. But it's like anyone just merely suggesting Russell Brand is innocent must be a rape apologist. and a victim blamer.
Reductio ad absurdum.

Tbh he's always given me the ick.

This is a very strange thread from the off.

To what purpose ?

Self flagellation for OP?
She's cooler cos she admits she still fancies him? ( I know)
Men are all like him anyway?

And she's nowhere to be seen.

I don't understand your comment, which seems to refer to my comment, which refers to a statement made by the OP of this odd thread.

Your post seems to exist for the purposes of self-congratulation alone.

Just seen a sick meme on FB from an ‘enlightened’ friend, basically saying all the RB stuff is a distraction for the stupid masses.

Ironically, this friend has also gone to the papers about her own rape experiences. It seems that sympathy for other victims of rape isn’t always a given.

RB’s followers are just so ‘cool’ and ‘free’ aren’t they…

**or someone not believing a father abused only one of his daughters, what was so unusual about the daughter? It's victim blaming.

I mean what circumstances were so unusual for him to decide to rape one person out of that number?

What would be acceptable circumstances to you? What circumstances are ever acceptable to rape someone? It's like someone excusing DV as the husband 'only' hit his wife once...

I don’t even know where to start with many of the comments here…

if I started to reply to the self identification as feminist or the flashing apologists, I would not get any work done.

I still am amazed that there are women who found him attractive…. And who still look at him, listen to him, read about all these accusations and think…. Wow… I would like some of that 😵‍💫.

But then again, we are all different and it means that should my marriage ever fail I would have less competition for the friendly, kind, intellectual geeks.

I identify as a radical feminist.

Nothing you have posted on this thread, or indeed any other post made in this name, suggests to me that you are any form of feminist that I recognise, and certainly nothing like any radical feminist I have ever known or read.

The person who said that the apologies by text might have only related to non condom use and not rape. This is actually terrifying, if a woman consents to protected sex only and the man sees this as a green light to go ahead without a condom, THAT IS RAPE!

Quite - cannot believe anyone would think this would make it OK.

The odds very much suggest he's innocent.

No they don't. What bizarre logic.

I'm staggered by some of the shit I'm reading on here.

The person claiming that because Brand has had a huge amount of sexual partners he's somehow a special case and less likely to be a rapist. Makes no logical sense at all.

The person refusing to acknowledge any evidence because he hasn't been tried in court. By that logic, Jimmy Savile should be presumed innocent.

The person who said that the apologies by text might have only related to non condom use and not rape. This is actually terrifying, if a woman consents to protected sex only and the man sees this as a green light to go ahead without a condom, THAT IS RAPE!

We clearly have a long way to go.

I'm not following why it is some people think a man has to show any signs that he might be capable in public for an accusation to be believable. The two men I know, who I absolutely know 100% committed sexual assault showed no signs of it. I was woken up in the middle of the night for one of them, when a friend made enough noise for another friend to go into her room and forcibly throw the man out of the house. I was slower getting up.

So, zero signs whatsoever and zero doubt of guilt. For what a better word, it's "lucky" that RB has said & done enough publicity to warrant suspicion. It's strange to see the extent of the doubt and desire to make up excuses