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Are teacher messaging apps reasonable?

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Elendel · 19/09/2023 19:01

I am a teacher in a secondary school.

I started in a new place a few months back. In this place, parents have an app on which they, and students, can message us 24/7 and we are expected to reply as soon as possible, but latest within 24h. The app filters out swearing, but other than that it can be a free-for-all.

I do not have time to respond within a typical school day as I am either teaching, in a meeting or on duty, and with briefings as well, responding to parents either falls within the 15min lunch I get (unpaid) or outside of those hours. Time is fully directed between 8.15 and 4.30 each day and PPA is the absolute minimum school can get away with.

Messages arrive any time between midnight (some students messaging at 1am!) and midnight again, but parents most often message after work (understandably) and will expect us to have responded by mid-day. Some are messages about reasons why homework isn't done, some are asking me about what happened in other subjects, yet others are to challenge detentions given.

Is this level of communication acceptable? It just feels like I'm never off work, because I spend a considerable amount of time responding to the messages of the 1200 students and their parents on top of doing my actual day job to keep up with communication demands.

YABU - get on with it, it's your job

YANBU - that's ridiculous

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MotherofPearl · 24/09/2023 10:30

The thing that mystifies me is why parents want so much contact with teachers. I find one of the very best things about my older two children being at secondary school is barely having any contact with the school or the teachers (compared to primary).

I'm happy to leave my DC to it, and just have a quick chat with teachers at parents' evening. I'd only get in touch with the school outside that if it was an emergency, or something had gone very badly wrong. I don't have time to micromanage my DC and am happy and confident to leave their education to trained professionals.

BodGaoithe · 24/09/2023 08:19

Elendel · 22/09/2023 19:37

The academy pride themselves on running like a business. With that, customer service is paramount, as the head puts it.

Is it an academy chain closely related with carpets? (Just wondering if where I worked 10 years ago has gotten even worse…)

chaosmaker · 24/09/2023 08:01

OP, I don't get how stupid the parents are. Didn't they go to schools themselves? Just ridiculous. Hope you are feeling better too x

KatieCelf · 23/09/2023 21:50

I don’t think you are broken. The system is broken. It is disgusting what is expected of teachers these days.

I think the school needs to scrap that app, and if the parents need to contact the school they should phone the office. That’s what they do in my son’s school, and I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

SausageAndEggSandwich · 23/09/2023 17:17

Does your school have a comprehensive website @Elendel? In your situation, I would delete the app from any personal devices and try to find a way of setting up an auto reply. I would put a lot of effort into making it detailed. If it's not possible to autoreply, I'd prepare a stock response that is pasted to every message received. It would read something like this...

I like this a lot @SE13Mummy

I hope OP can implement something like this without being hauled over the coals by SLT.

Elendel · 23/09/2023 13:42

An academy just receives funding directly from the government, not via a local authority. Academies have more freedom to make their own decisions on things like finances, teachers' pay and the curriculum than normal state schools. We don't have to follow the curriculum, but most schools do to pass their Ofsted inspections. We are state schools.

I am definitely loking elsewhere. Unfortunately, my role is a little bit more rare than most.

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Phineyj · 23/09/2023 12:18

In England schools have gradually been removed from local authorities and instead put into groups of academies. They are still state schools and government funded. But at arm's length and if they are run by nutters, there's little as an employee (or parent) that you can do.

They vary. This app thing would not be entertained in my multi academy trust!

Mswest · 23/09/2023 10:35

Shaw55 · 23/09/2023 10:32

Did you see my post above.

The school is an Academy. Teachers Pay and Conditions, government agreed, but does not include academies.

Erosion!

I'm in Scotland we do not have academies - is it the equivalent of a private school then? I thought she had said it was a state school. Unless she gets paid a huge premium for this nonsense I'd be looking for somewhere else.

Shaw55 · 23/09/2023 10:32

Mswest · 22/09/2023 21:32

If this is in the UK and a state school then absolutely no way is this acceptable?! Why is your union allowing this?! Omg I have worked in state secondaries for 13 years and I've never been expected to directly communicate with parents at all other than by written reports or parents night! The pupils sometimes send messages on Google classroom but there's no expectation at all I answer them unless I'm in work. This is beyond ridiculous and anyone saying it's normal doesn't work in a school.

Did you see my post above.

The school is an Academy. Teachers Pay and Conditions, government agreed, but does not include academies.

Erosion!

Castleview6 · 23/09/2023 07:47

Find a new school to work in - this is ridiculous.

SE13Mummy · 23/09/2023 00:32

YANBU, not at all... other than having an app like this on your personal devices if that's the case.

I'm a teacher, so is DP and we have school-aged DC of our own. I do not have my school email or other apps on my phone and only have them on the device provided by school. The school messaging app is set up so the school can send messages out but parents cannot reply. They tend to call the school office with moans etc. rather than email, even though they can access our email addresses easily. The school website explains we are teaching between 9am and 3.30pm and asks for parents to be aware of this when emailing, saying we'll respond within a few days.

Does your school have a comprehensive website @Elendel? In your situation, I would delete the app from any personal devices and try to find a way of setting up an auto reply. I would put a lot of effort into making it detailed. If it's not possible to autoreply, I'd prepare a stock response that is pasted to every message received. It would read something like this...

Thank you for contacting me. I'm teaching until 4.30pm today so may not have a chance to read your message until after that. If you are the parent of a child in 7E, please read through the Q&A I've put together to help you work out who your query should be directed to.

Q. My child is going to be off school/needs to leave early for an appointment.
A. Please contact the school office about this.

Q. My child has lost an item or left something somewhere.
A. If your child knows where they last year the item, they will need to go and check that place themselves, making sure they speak to the adult who teaches in that space. The lost property is stored in XX, please get your child to look in there every lunch time for the next week or so in case it turns up

Q My child hasn't done their homework
A. Please ask your child to speak to the teacher who set the work

Q My child has been given an unfair consequence.
A Please ask your child to speak to the person who gave them the consequence

Q. Why is my child marked absent for a lesson they were definitely at?
A. Please ask your child to speak to the teacher whose lesson it was.

Q My child's goldfish died last night and they're feeling sad so I'd like all the teachers to be aware
A. Sorry to hear this. Please email the main office and ask them to let your child's teachers know.

Q What does my child have to wear for yoga lessons?
A. Please go to the uniform and PE kit page of the school website. Further questions about PE kit should be sent to the head of Physical Manoeuvres. General uniform queries should go to the main office.

If you are the parent of a student I teach geography to and you are messaging about the subject, please look on the department's curriculum page of the school website to find out what your child is learning about, the exam syllabus and handy revision resources.

Most of the queries I receive are requests for information that can be found on the website so please do spend some time exploring it. Mrs X, Mr Y and Ms Z are in the school office during teaching hours and will be able to help you with most things so do give them a call. Please be assured that I do read the messages I receive but I am usually only able to respond to messages about my own geography classes or 7E form time. If I haven't replied to you within 2 teaching days it is because your query is not specific to me and needs to be dealt with by someone else. Do ask the school office if you need help working out the best person to send your query to.

Best wishes,
@Elendel

If I ever contact my own DCs' teachers I try to remember to schedule the email to go at 8am rather than on the evening I've written it. I also try to make it clear if I'm just passing on information and do not need a response e.g. I wasn't sure who needed the info or it's something my DC can be given a response to in the next lesson.

Mswest · 22/09/2023 21:32

If this is in the UK and a state school then absolutely no way is this acceptable?! Why is your union allowing this?! Omg I have worked in state secondaries for 13 years and I've never been expected to directly communicate with parents at all other than by written reports or parents night! The pupils sometimes send messages on Google classroom but there's no expectation at all I answer them unless I'm in work. This is beyond ridiculous and anyone saying it's normal doesn't work in a school.

Phineyj · 22/09/2023 20:31

No no no.

Parents are not customers (except in the private sector).

They are service users I suppose.

Do you get to message your doctor all hours of the day and night about trivial shite? Or your bus driver come to that?

angsanana · 22/09/2023 20:03

You need to set reasonable expectations about what you will and wont do. You need to set firm boundaries. If parents constantly message with stuff they can find out elsewhere you need to just tell them eg "all this is in the newsletter". If they are giving you excuses why homework isn't in tell them to write them in the books when they do hand the homework in. Don't look at your phone out of hours.

Elendel · 22/09/2023 19:37

The academy pride themselves on running like a business. With that, customer service is paramount, as the head puts it.

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Startyabastard · 22/09/2023 19:31

Does anybody else think 'how on earth did this get passed?!!' Insane. 👀

Dinobot · 22/09/2023 18:29

I'm a secondary teacher in a multi - academy trust. This is insane! Speak to your union. And/or start looking for another job! Good luck

mosesherzog · 22/09/2023 16:34

This is fucking bullshit! Refuse, refuse, refuse!

Phineyj · 22/09/2023 16:30

OP, do speak to Edapt asap. I've found them very useful the times I've needed them. They employ proper trained legal people. You need to be very clear on your legal rights here if it gets sticky.

Good luck.

Rexxxxxx · 22/09/2023 15:41

my own pet hate is receiving school messages over weekends and evenings when we are having family time.

Shaw55 · 22/09/2023 12:53

I ckecked the DfE Teachers’ Pay and Conditions document. Par 52.5 includes PPA.
However, this document is written for LA maintained schools - no mention of it applying to academies.
Government eroding teachers’ pay and conditions through their Academy system. ☹️

Message is - don't work in an Academy if you expect to maintain your terms and conditions.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1110990/2022_STPCD.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1110990/2022_STPCD.pdf

Elendel · 22/09/2023 12:37

@WowOK A little, thank you, though still not well enough to be back at work. I have received more messages from parents since last night despite the fact that I am ill (and the children know as they had cover).

They will have to wait.

Yes, I am looking for a new job, but I have a 3-day notice period, which works either way until my probation is over. I cannot afford to kick up a fuss until I have the protetcion of a half-term's notice.

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WowOK · 22/09/2023 12:28

@Elendel I hope you are feeling better today.

FrippEnos · 22/09/2023 11:51

Elendel · 22/09/2023 11:29

I am a single parent and cannot afford to just be managed out without another job to go to.

Then as others have said you need to find another job.

Elendel · 22/09/2023 11:29

I am a single parent and cannot afford to just be managed out without another job to go to.

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