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Optomystic · 11/09/2023 15:35

Guys I need your help. STBXH and me are splitting up - we want different things. I totally accept this from our perspective, but we have a teenage son and this will devastate him.

STBXH is keen to move out asap and get on with his new life (he has dates lined up apparently). I can't really criticise although wish he could have gone about it better and waited until we had at least divorced, but I don't want to make a fuss as I don't want to do any patching up.

The thing I do take issue with, however, is that he is not willing to wait a couple of years until DS is of adult age. I'm being pretty critical about this and so are some of the people I'm confiding in too. I am claiming he is abandoning his child. However really he isn't he's just leaving me.

Withouth speaking to me he has gone ahead and assumed that we would sell the house and both stay local. From there he would obviously be able to see DS. But, due to my circumstances (I don't have family here and I don't really like the town where we are), I am planning on leaving the area and moving a couple of hours' drive away.

So, am I being a bit of a hipocrite? I am not instigating the divorce or separation as it seems his need to be free is greater than mine although I can't really hold that against him. This means he is responsible for breaking up our family whist DS is still at home.

However, I feel like my decision is the biggest thing that will really separate us, to the point where DS will hardly ever see his dad. I can't really take the moral high ground and claim that H is the one breaking up the family, can I?

I could stay around and live a lesser quality life for the couple of years left and be financially worse off and keep DS and H within visiting distance. But, I will not be happy.

Please help me sort out this moral dilemma as don't want to be seen as reeking revenge on H and making him feel bad for putting himself first now when under different circumstances I am prepared to put my feelings first when it suits me.

Let me know please.

YABU - and are as bad as H
YANBU - your reasons are not on the same scale of selfish - or something like that

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meganorks · 11/09/2023 22:17

I wasn't trying to be nasty, just answer the question. It sounds like an all round crap situation for you. I can't begin to imagine how awful I would feel it DH just turned around and said to me that he wants a divorce and hurry up about it because he's got dates to be on! Your husband is being really shitty about it all. But I don't agree staying together till your son is an adult is a good solution either. I know I couldn't do that.
I can understand you wanting to move away, especially if you have connections somewhere else. I just really can't see that being what your son would want. But it's all theoretical at the moment so maybe you just need to wait until you've told him.

Catlover100 · 11/09/2023 22:16

Sorry OP but you have had some really harsh comments on here tonight with people missing the point about what you were asking/saying.
Your stbx clearly isn't putting your DS' interests first if he is already planning his next shag. Whatever people tell you about being entitled to move on, parents happiness etc, it messes kids up when their parents don't wait before jumping into new relationships.
As I said before, I don't see that you need to compromise your future to facilitate your ex's relationship with his child when he isn't prioritising it himself.
If your DS is happy to move with you for sixth form then I think you should consider it and let his Dad date his way around the local area without his child having to witness it. It's only two hours away, it's not Outer Mongolia!

sweeneytoddsrazor · 11/09/2023 22:01

But your H moving out isn't your H moving away from DS is it? He will still be close enough for DS to see him as often as he wants. You moving a few hours away will severely restrict how much time DS can spend with his Dad. And whilst DS may prefer you to his DF I imagine like most 16 year olds he prefers his mates to both of you. Which just might be enough for him to say I want to stay with Dad not move.

CherryCokeFanatic · 11/09/2023 21:49

You want him to stay until your DC is adult and not shake up their life too much but at the same time plan to move 2 hours away and shake up your DCs life

Make it make sense!

UsingChangeofName · 11/09/2023 21:46

I know you have not specifically said this about DH but there is a consensus that H should be able to be happy whilst I am not.

Not one single person has said that.

And this is why I posted this AIBU. Because I was also thinking what you have said and I wanted validation. Thank you.

......... and yet you are getting upset because most people are pointing out that YABU. I mean, that is the thing about AIBU - people will be honest.

Optomystic · 11/09/2023 21:29

Raincloudsonasunnyday · 11/09/2023 21:23

All your posts say the same thing: that this is about the equitable result between you and your DH. Yes you’re worried about DS and no you don’t want to mess him up - but if you really meant that you wouldn’t be saying things like “why should I put my life on hold when H gets to do whatever he wants”.

The same applies to your H, equally.

You’re both being extremely selfish.

Just because he is, doesn’t mean you should be in order to have equal rights to him (and vice versa).

You’re just messed up right now. Slow down. Both of you. To a large extent you DO have to take responsibility if your H is being a dick: YOU chose to marry him, YOU chose to have DC with this loser who’s more interested in his dick than his DC. That’s on you.

Ffs we are NOT being selfish. We can’t be being selfish because nothing has happened! H is downstairs watching TV, I’m in my room and DS is in his room OBLIVIOUS. We are not selfish because I am on here talking through moral dilemmas so as to avoid any unnecessary pain when the time comes to act!

the only selfish behaviour so far has been H not waiting for a separation before kicking off his love life.

right this is triggering me and I just don’t need it tonight.

im off to do something else.

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ColloidalSliver · 11/09/2023 21:27

Optomystic · 11/09/2023 21:10

so why should H get to move on with his life? If I am expected to compromise and stay put for two years why isn’t he? You are sympathising with him and his dilemma whilst using mine against me. That’s double standards.

Unfortunately, it isn't about you or your STBEx. It's about what's best for your son. Ideally you would both put him first - but if his father isn't able or willing to do this, he needs you to do it all the more.

Lastchancechica · 11/09/2023 21:25

Optomystic · 11/09/2023 21:20

I have said he can stay here and date so long as it’s away from the house. Where have I said I am stopping him from dating??? I’m not stopping him.

i don’t know why there is an undercurrent of animosity towards me. I’m not thinking moving DS away to be spiteful. Or to punish anyone. Why would anyone think I am? Obviously I’m not going to be able to force a 16 year old who is a foot taller than me into a car and drive him off or do anything he doesn’t want to do. But I acknowledge he may end up losing out on the DS/H bond and that is not what I want. Which is why I’m here and scoping it out before I pitch it as a serious option.

honestly. people are accusing me of blackmailing. Now I’m being ‘terribly controlling’ I haven’t said a peep to H or my DS so how am I being controlling for thinking things through thoroughly.

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Yes ad your dh himself needs to take some damn responsibility for his part in this terrible choice you are presented with, I can’t see him prioritising his son. At all. If he wants to compromise great, but otherwise it’s your choice.

Optomystic · 11/09/2023 21:24

meganorks · 11/09/2023 21:19

I'm not sympathising with your husband, I'm thinking about what would be best for your son. You said your husband plans to stay local to where you are currently. But you are wanting to move a couple of hours away with your son. I would have thought a big change for a teen like divorcing parents would be best if they were still able to stay in the same area and see both parents regularly (and friends too).
You've asked the question 'is it double standards' so my answer is yes, it is a bit. You are angry your stbxh won't do what you think is best for your son, but if he won't, you won't either.

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I agree with you. And this is why I posted this AIBU. Because I was also thinking what you have said and I wanted validation. Thank you.

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Raincloudsonasunnyday · 11/09/2023 21:23

All your posts say the same thing: that this is about the equitable result between you and your DH. Yes you’re worried about DS and no you don’t want to mess him up - but if you really meant that you wouldn’t be saying things like “why should I put my life on hold when H gets to do whatever he wants”.

The same applies to your H, equally.

You’re both being extremely selfish.

Just because he is, doesn’t mean you should be in order to have equal rights to him (and vice versa).

You’re just messed up right now. Slow down. Both of you. To a large extent you DO have to take responsibility if your H is being a dick: YOU chose to marry him, YOU chose to have DC with this loser who’s more interested in his dick than his DC. That’s on you.

Optomystic · 11/09/2023 21:20

CheekyHobson · 11/09/2023 21:09

I do think you are being terribly controlling expecting your ex to not date. I can't understand at all what that has to do with parenting.

Nothing is stopping you from dating or making friends in your local area if you want to so I think you are being a bit of a martyr by saying you have to "live a lonely existence".

You're trying to make your sacrifice "fair" in your mind by trying to force him to make a sacrifice too, but you don't have any right to control an ex-partner in that way, just as he has no right to demand that you don't date.

I have said he can stay here and date so long as it’s away from the house. Where have I said I am stopping him from dating??? I’m not stopping him.

i don’t know why there is an undercurrent of animosity towards me. I’m not thinking moving DS away to be spiteful. Or to punish anyone. Why would anyone think I am? Obviously I’m not going to be able to force a 16 year old who is a foot taller than me into a car and drive him off or do anything he doesn’t want to do. But I acknowledge he may end up losing out on the DS/H bond and that is not what I want. Which is why I’m here and scoping it out before I pitch it as a serious option.

honestly. people are accusing me of blackmailing. Now I’m being ‘terribly controlling’ I haven’t said a peep to H or my DS so how am I being controlling for thinking things through thoroughly.

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meganorks · 11/09/2023 21:19

I'm not sympathising with your husband, I'm thinking about what would be best for your son. You said your husband plans to stay local to where you are currently. But you are wanting to move a couple of hours away with your son. I would have thought a big change for a teen like divorcing parents would be best if they were still able to stay in the same area and see both parents regularly (and friends too).
You've asked the question 'is it double standards' so my answer is yes, it is a bit. You are angry your stbxh won't do what you think is best for your son, but if he won't, you won't either.

Zanatdy · 11/09/2023 21:15

i don’t think you can tell him not to date for 2yrs, I mean I’m sure you could date where you live now if you want? At the end of the day, even if your DH is dating etc, I’d just focus on getting my kid through their GCSE and A levels and let the father get on with it. You don’t have to both make sacrifices so things are even. I think that’s totally unreasonable for you to suggest he puts his life on hold because you are. I’m holding out another 3yrs and wouldn’t date, as I don’t want my kids being around a step dad at this age (various reasons based on past experience) whereas my ex got married to someone he barely knew and moved her and her son (same age as our DD) into the home my kids go to half the week. All I can do is focus on being that stability and I know they will appreciate it in the future. Just focus on your son and what’s right for him, that’s all you can control. Sounds like your ex is going to move on very quickly but that doesn’t mean the right thing to do is up and leave so you can also have fun back home.

Lastchancechica · 11/09/2023 21:15

Optomystic · 11/09/2023 21:10

so why should H get to move on with his life? If I am expected to compromise and stay put for two years why isn’t he? You are sympathising with him and his dilemma whilst using mine against me. That’s double standards.

I agree op. He either agrees for you to stay in the family home. He can make alternative accommodation arrangements if he wishes you to stay close by.

However if he is pushing for a house sale, fine, you are well within your rights to move to an area you can afford.

Just watch out that ds doesn’t have a change of heart and decide to stay with his father/ friends. He might be supportive now but teens are notoriously fickle.

Trianglesandcircles1 · 11/09/2023 21:12

AcrossthePond55 · 11/09/2023 18:45

@Optomystic

Forgive me if I've got this wrong, but you seem to be saying a lot about what DS 'would/would not want'. I think the best thing to do would be to sit him down and ask him. Not in a 'Who do you want to live with, who do you love more, me or Daddy?" way but a calm even casual "Now that you know Dad and I are splitting up, I've had thoughts of moving near Gran/the beach/Bali. What would you think of that? It would be a big change for both of us and we'd need to give it some thought. I wouldn't do it if both of us don't think it's a good move".

The other thing is that if DH wants to go, he needs to move on his own timetable. As far as the house sale, you need to see a solicitor. Only a solicitor can give you the real scoop on how that might work (and how long) in your case.

This.
Don't worry about the house for now. Divorce takes a while, and STBXH will just have to wait to get his equity.
See a solicitor. It may need to go to mediation or even court. By that time DS may be 18 anyway.
Don't let STBXH rush you into putting the house on the market - take your time and get a good solicitor.

Even if the house is sold when DS is doing his A' level / equivalent course in your current area, that will only be a year or 18 months of renting before you go to the new area.

Slow down, take your time, don't let anyone rush you, and make plans to move after DS has finished his 16-18 Education.

Optomystic · 11/09/2023 21:10

meganorks · 11/09/2023 21:02

So you are upset your husband won't live a lie till your child is an adult. But you are prepared to drag him away from his father and friends and upend iis life completely? Yeah, to be honest, I think that is worse. If you are worried about how your son will take it all, that is going to have much more impact than the divorce!

so why should H get to move on with his life? If I am expected to compromise and stay put for two years why isn’t he? You are sympathising with him and his dilemma whilst using mine against me. That’s double standards.

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CheekyHobson · 11/09/2023 21:09

I do think you are being terribly controlling expecting your ex to not date. I can't understand at all what that has to do with parenting.

Nothing is stopping you from dating or making friends in your local area if you want to so I think you are being a bit of a martyr by saying you have to "live a lonely existence".

You're trying to make your sacrifice "fair" in your mind by trying to force him to make a sacrifice too, but you don't have any right to control an ex-partner in that way, just as he has no right to demand that you don't date.

CheekyHobson · 11/09/2023 21:06

I can see both sides of it.

My ex moved 40 minutes away and with primary-aged kids, it's a massive pain in the ass even though he has them less than 30 percent of the time. I don't understand why he couldn't have stayed in the same area until they were old enough to catch public transport to see him by themselves (high school age) but he loves to put himself first. He doesn't seem bothered by the fact he doesn't have equal parenting time (never did, to be honest).

I think its your DS who needs to have ultimate say. Two years isn't long for you to suck it up for if he feels he'd rather stay in one place for schooling and close to his friends.

But if his dad isn't terribly bothered about having much contact, and DS is happy to move, it's not up to you to stay close to your ex so he can have contact whenever he spontaneously feels like fulfilling his responsibility to be a dad and maintain a good relationship with his kids.

Optomystic · 11/09/2023 21:05

Zanatdy · 11/09/2023 20:57

If your child has 2 years until he’s an adult then surely you stay local and suck it up for 2yrs? It’s nothing. I’ve been sucking it up for 12yrs and have less than 3 to go. I live in the South east so have had to keep renting for years when I could buy when I move back up north. I did it so my kids could he close to their dad and also because schooling is better. For the sake of 2yrs (assume child is education somehow) then I’d just do it. My kids happiness trumps mine, even though that’s hard sometimes.

Well yes, but my H isn’t is he? I am prepped to stay in family setting till the end for sake of DS. I think personally both of us should. However, according to this thread, I’m being unreasonable expecting H to put off his dating for two years but I should be prepared to live a lonely existence and put off my move to be close to my family for two years. I am prepared to do anything for DS. Only thing is I need to start building a life too. It’s a bit unfair to expect me to put up whilst not expecting the same from H.

sorry, I know you have not specifically said this about DH but there is a consensus that H should be able to be happy whilst I am not.

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meganorks · 11/09/2023 21:02

So you are upset your husband won't live a lie till your child is an adult. But you are prepared to drag him away from his father and friends and upend iis life completely? Yeah, to be honest, I think that is worse. If you are worried about how your son will take it all, that is going to have much more impact than the divorce!

pickledandpuzzled · 11/09/2023 21:02

So if things went the way you'd planned, you'd both stay out til DE has finished school then split up and you'd move home.

The ex wanting to split now forces you to move two years early?

So it's the ex's fault he isn't letting you stay, surely.

Does he know that's the consequence of his choice?

ColloidalSliver · 11/09/2023 20:59

I have to say I have moments of being a little bit worried about him when I’m not being worried for me and DCs

Don't bother.

Zanatdy · 11/09/2023 20:57

If your child has 2 years until he’s an adult then surely you stay local and suck it up for 2yrs? It’s nothing. I’ve been sucking it up for 12yrs and have less than 3 to go. I live in the South east so have had to keep renting for years when I could buy when I move back up north. I did it so my kids could he close to their dad and also because schooling is better. For the sake of 2yrs (assume child is education somehow) then I’d just do it. My kids happiness trumps mine, even though that’s hard sometimes.

Optomystic · 11/09/2023 20:57

Catlover100 · 11/09/2023 20:48

Have you spoken to your STBXH about how often he is planning to see your DS when he is living his 'new life'?

My exH moved out nearby but also did the dating thing straight away and got into a relationship very quickly. He then didn't want to/have time to see the kids that much, plus he works away quite often too.
Add in the fact that they don't really like his new partner and sometimes they only see him once a week at weekends. They message a lot though and I keep him well informed on what's going on with them etc so they do still have a relationship with him.

I think you could move for sixth form if your DS is up for it and it possibly won't bother your ex that much if he's planning on dating and having a new relationship - a visit once every other weekend and facetime/messaging regularly etc might be enough?

Be wary of making your life plans around your ex especially if he is prioritising his love life which is what it sounds like.

Definitely prioritise your DS but I would just be conscious of the fact that if your ex is planning to move on with another relationship, you might do all of this compromising for nothing because he won't have the time to see his DS that much.
Also his DS might struggle with the idea of his dating and new relationships, my own kids have struggled with their Dad doing this way more than I thought they would.

Thank you for your useful post. I asked STBX about his expectations earlier and said we should talk about it soon. I think your post sums up what I’m going over in my head. So far DH has expressed little interest over seeing the kids. He has said some things which suggest he doesn’t intend to accommodate them at all. But I have to hear it direct. From what my H is acting like I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up wanting to distance themselves from him anyway. I have a feeling in my gut he might be losing the plot a bit and, knowing what he’s like, I have to say I have moments of being a little bit worried about him when I’m not being worried for me and DCs. But I am probably not the best person to judge on anyone’s mental well being ATM!

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Catlover100 · 11/09/2023 20:48

Have you spoken to your STBXH about how often he is planning to see your DS when he is living his 'new life'?

My exH moved out nearby but also did the dating thing straight away and got into a relationship very quickly. He then didn't want to/have time to see the kids that much, plus he works away quite often too.
Add in the fact that they don't really like his new partner and sometimes they only see him once a week at weekends. They message a lot though and I keep him well informed on what's going on with them etc so they do still have a relationship with him.

I think you could move for sixth form if your DS is up for it and it possibly won't bother your ex that much if he's planning on dating and having a new relationship - a visit once every other weekend and facetime/messaging regularly etc might be enough?

Be wary of making your life plans around your ex especially if he is prioritising his love life which is what it sounds like.

Definitely prioritise your DS but I would just be conscious of the fact that if your ex is planning to move on with another relationship, you might do all of this compromising for nothing because he won't have the time to see his DS that much.
Also his DS might struggle with the idea of his dating and new relationships, my own kids have struggled with their Dad doing this way more than I thought they would.

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