So is formula milk UPF?

Same.

Not everyone who formula feeds from birth is uneducated. I weighed up the pros and cons and decided that the pros more than outweigh any of the cons.

It was absolutely an informed choice.

It doesn’t need to be green. Iron and certain flavourings/colourings can turn breast milk green.

Actually they do. I didn't eat anything green that day or previous.

Well I can't say I've ever experienced green breast milk but then I've never felt proud of myself when my kids don't catch my illnesses either . All seems a bit odd to me. Will you be devastated if they do catch something from you at some point

Evidence is mixed but some studies show breastfeeding increases the risk of food allergy. Which I am inclined to believe given my own experiences

I had a brief search online and there is zero indication that antibodies turn breastmilk green. It can however turn green due to foods you consume.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/16/fact-check-covid-19-antibodies-dont-turn-breast-milk-green/6794429001/

Why? Handling a baby while having explosive contagious diarrhoea isn’t a good idea. PP was very keen to share this experience so I was wondering how on Earth she did it.

It depends on the antibodies, 'regular colour' breastmilk can still contain them, some people do get different colouration though when poorly- during covid there were quite a few reports of it.

You're just being purposefully obtuse now aren't you, and for what benefit?

How on Earth did you manage to wipe/flush/wash hands before touching him? I wouldn’t handle a baby while wiping my bum during a bout of noro.

To add balance my EBF 5 month old currently has a stinking cold (as do I). My milk is staying stubbornly white, perhaps that’s why.

And I'm not going to waste my time on people who have no clue. I don't need to justify myself to anyone.

I know my body helped in him not catching it. And I'm v proud of that. Aholes on the Internet are not going to tell me otherwise.

Have a nice day 😊

I'll be telling that part of me to shut up

Would that more of us did this more of the time!

And in this context ... formula being a 'UFP' is simply not relevant information to the pros and cons, for the reasons explored on this thread. Tbh if someone mentioned the term in this context id be inclined to be more sceptical about the reliability of their information.

Its magical stuff. My prem baby needed formula and a special build up formula as he was failing to thrive. I honestly didn't give a shiney shit if it was processed or not. The formula fed my child as I physically could not (and didnt want to anyway). No guilt from me at all.

Good for you. I was on my own at the time and I wasn't going to leave my son to cry when he was hungry.

As someone who positively chose to use formula from day one, I knew formula is a highly processed product. Would information about upf have influenced my decision - not at all.

To me this is comparable to saying gluten free or lactose free items are upf or even insulin or calpol, formula is made for a very specific reason, to keep babies who are not breastfeeding alive, so the parameters are very different to say cakes or sausages where healthy choices are being advocated, it's not the same type of choice even for those who just don't want to breastfeed. I loved bf and think it's so important, is there a part of me that thinks maybe this will encourage more mothers to give it a go, yes probably, I'm always hoping that more information means better informed choices, but I'll be telling that part of me to shut up if talking to the relevant mum groups

So it's ok to sit on a toilet shitting while feeding a baby green breast milk? I have no words, well not polite ones.

Not at the point you first caught it, which is presumably when your baby avoided it. Anyway, not going to waste anymore time arguing with someone who thinks kissing a baby leads to antibody production

Antibodies are in your milk if you've been poorly regardless of whether you kiss the baby first or not ffs, your body produces the antibodies to get yourself better and theyre passed on in your milk automatically due to how your body works biologically. There's so much misinformation out there and some of it so odd.

You have to be sick First for your body to produce the antibodies 🙄

I was sick and my son never caught it. I got told by a health profession to kiss baba before giving him the boob as that alerts body to produce the antibodies. Oh and my milk turned green. I freaked out at first and then realised it was the antibodies.

Antibodies are only passed on if the mother is sick first, it's not infallible either. There's some absolute shite floating about the Internet about the baby's saliva being absorbed through the breast when feeding then the mothers body making antibodies for their illness; this isn't based in science at all yet people believe it! It's really impossible to know the long term health effects of BFing as there are so many variables it's hard to isolate them in studies.

Where did he get these magic antibodies from, seeing as you were incredibly sick yourself? They couldn’t have come from you via your breast milk, otherwise they’d have protected you at the time surely?

A lot of pseudoscientific nonsense being spouted as per usual on this topic.

Formula is different from other UPF’s - it’s not an option of avoiding using it to feed babies unless you want to force breast feeding on every mother.

All children will end up with processed foods in their diet. The key thing is moderation.