Face the judge

What would that achieve?
She knows her sentence, as she will be living it.
The victim impact statements are for the judge, not to make the defendant feel bad (and in this case, I don't think it would make her feel bad anyway).

Oh so this kind of baying mob justice is allowed, but if you post a thread questioning the integrity of the conviction , partly to see if there are others who share similar concerns, and partly in an attempt to open up a debate / promote a spirit of accountable justice, you are called a troll and the thread is immediately deleted by mumsnet HQ. I see.

You sound scary.

She didn't refuse to attend because she can't stand the guilt and remorse. She has none of either. She refused to attend because she didn't want to be seen while it was happening, and possibly to show her disrespect for everything.

Nothing anyone can do will make her feel guilt or remorse. No point in trying. Just get her out of society and into lifelong imprisonment where she belongs.

There was footage of the prison van arriving at court so presumably she was there but stayed in the cells. That being the case surely the answer is to video link into the cell. Even a one way one where they can't see or hear her but she has to listen to what's being said

You don't though. She sound a bit unhinged.

It wouldn't help my torment & suffering if she turned up or not.

I just don’t get how somebody who has committed such crimes can be so emotionless? Surely even if they don’t show it, they must feel some sort of empathy or regret? Do they truly not realise the magnitude of what they’ve done / feel that they’ve done nothing wrong?

Whenever there is a high profile criminal case involving children in the news we see this kind of performative outrage on MN, and on social media in general. It becomes almost competitive, who can be the most upset and angry. Remember Arthur Labinjo- Hughes? Terrible tragedy but people on here went so over the top...posters claiming they were being physically sick and couldn't sleep for days, describing themselves as "traumatised" when it had absolutely nothing to do with them. And of course we had similar calls for the death penalty or torture to be brought back. The posters baying for blood always insist they are doing so out of sympathy for the victims and their families, when of course they haven't got the first clue what the families actually want or need.

What LL did was, of course, despicable and I'm glad she's going to spend the rest of her life behind bars. But people calling for her to be bound and gagged and carried to her sentencing aren't thinking of her victims or families, they want maximum drama.

There is no reaction she can give that will satisfy people to see.

It won't make her feel remorse. She doesn't care. She won't cry or rend her clothing. She probably wouldn't kick or scream either, but if she did, she'd get the attention and cause the disruption that she wants. She might even taunt the families.

In all likelihood, she just wouldn't show any reaction at all.

I dont understand all this constant blood baying and all this "justice is served, justice should be severed" stuff. This is like the 10th thread i have seen on the same topic.

She was convicted and given a whole life order. She's never getting out of prison. The world is now protected from Lucy Letby which is the whole point of prison.

I honestly dont know what violence towards her is meant to achieve. It sure wont bring those babies back or heal their families pain. There is no way to force her to go to court for sentencing and tbh she shouldn't have to because legally you don't have to and Letby, as abhorrent as what she did is, has the same legal rights as every body else and that is as it should be.

Thankfully we live in a civilised country where torture went out with the ark.
Some posters on here would have made brilliant ss officers in the camps with their sadistic and warped views!
Letby committed one of the worst crimes imaginable and god alone knows what suffering those poor parents are enduring, but demanding Letby is present for sentencing, tortured or beaten to death isn't going to bring those poor babies back, nor ease the suffering of the families.

Yes. And women's prisons have many acutely distressed people in them. She's certainly not going to a holiday camp.

Exactly it's loss of freedom and no choice in anything, that's the punishment. Prisons aren't hotels they are noisy, dirty, and dangerous.

I thought the point of a sentence was so they had to endure years of punishment, not take a cowards way out.

No it wasn't aimed at you specifically, the violent undercurrent to some posts is something else, matchsticks in eyes was quite special. She's been convicted of a heinous crime and she will be looking over her shoulder for the rest of her life and because prison is a dangerous environment.

I never said I hope she gets attacked

Oh come off it. You said "Justice will be served in prison I reckon". That implies you don't think that justice has been served yet, but it will be once she has been attacked in prison. Never mind the impact of such attacks on the other prisoners and the prison staff who have to pick up the pieces.

Yet another thread about exactly the same issue..

I hope that prison justice brigade comment wasn't aimed at me. I never said I hope she gets attacked I'm saying it's inevitable. Letby is not some hardened criminal able to put up a decent fight, she won't stand a chance against some of the women in prison. Its a fact.

If I could sell virtual pitchforks and burning torches on here I'd make a fortune. Her tariff was going to be the same whether she appeared or not. As for the prison justice brigade, what difference to her getting done over is that going to make to the outcome of her crimes. Hopefully she sees out her entire sentence till she's a very elderly woman and death is her only release.

Why not just post on the other thread about it? Why do you need your own, OP? Talk about attention seeking.

This.

The judge has a tariff of what they can sentence the criminal for. This is limited to a term of incarceration.
Criminal penalties do not include humiliation, berating, walking the gauntlet or cruel and unusual punishments.

Yes, and?

Justice will be served in prison I reckon

Did you not read the post by Passthesickbagmabel which explains the impact violence in prisons has?

I don't think the people calling for her forced attendance in court understand just how carefully the whole criminal justice process is managed in order to avoid things spiralling into violence and aggression. In the magistrates' court in particular, where there are a lot of defendants with chaotic lives and a low threshold for kicking off, and where there are a lot of cases to get through in a day, judges tend to be surprisingly tolerant of low level bad behaviour. If they jumped on every bit of abusive language, stubbornness, refusal to engage etc, they'd never get anything done - but, more importantly, they'd be cranking up the tension in an environment that already has multiple stress points.

It's rare, for example, for a district judge to have someone sent down for contempt of court - it has to be really high level for them to act on people kicking off in the dock or public gallery. Because they recognise that tensions are high, and winding them tighter makes everything more volatile, and therefore more dangerous, particularly for those who have to take direct action when it all blows up. Everything around handling and detention of prisoners is about de-escalation, keeping things calm etc. If there are heightened tensions around being taken to court, there are more likely to be incidents, as everyone is on edge. It's not just about one person kicking off - one person being manhandled while screaming and shouting can cause all sorts of escalation. It could very easily start with one person dragged into court, and end with a prison riot.

There's also the fact that most court rooms aren't actually that big. The people in the public gallery, the jury, the defendant, the lawyers are all really close to one another. It's one thing to think about it all in the abstract - someone being dragged into court to face justice - and another thing entirely to be right up close to it happening, to hear the struggling and the screaming, and the threats to the judges and lawyers and jury, and the judge raising his voice to try and be heard over it all, and have other people around you getting angry or upset. The whole thing would be brutal and distressing for everyone involved.