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Tradwives

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babysharkdoodoodedoodedoo · 12/08/2023 17:12

Whilst mindlessly scrolling through Instagram the other day, a video came up on my feed (whatever that section is called where they post suggested videos) of a ‘tradwife’ - an American woman (she must have been no older than 24) who was actively promoting a traditional married lifestyle - a man as provider, woman as homemaker, with the man as the ‘leader’ of the family and the wife submitting to her husband’s leadership. She posts videos of herself cooking and cleaning and dressing up for her husband every day, and regularly speaks about how she has certain rules for herself to keep herself in her place, like not going out after dark without her husband, asking her husbands permission before she does things. I got the impression that she likes this lifestyle and has chosen it and he goes along with it - she’s always talking about how it was her lifelong dream to live like this. She’s even started dressing in retro housewife outfits - like a sort of 1950s vibe. Don’t get me wrong, she looks amazing and seems very happy. I was intrigued about this movement and when I Googled it, it seems that this is a growing movement with lots of people posting about it and promoting the lifestyle. I was so surprised as I’ve never really met anyone like this. I was wondering if anyone on Mumsnet is a part of this movement (or even just follows this lifestyle/holds these beliefs in private). No reason really other than curiosity!

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/08/2023 19:09

real tradwives wouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the internet so it’s just LARPing

its easy to cosplay this role when you live in a country where, if you chose to leave, there would be no societal come back from it. The law allows you to leave & divorce your husband if you do chose

i expect Instagram/tik tok tradwives woukd run a mile from really living the life they describe where they were at home with no money, no rights & no ability to leave

Globe22 · 12/08/2023 19:08

Sounds frightfully dull!

Notfeelinghunkydory · 12/08/2023 19:05

Stacey Dooley did a sleeps over episode about this.

Caprisunny · 12/08/2023 19:02

Thelittleweasel · 12/08/2023 18:50

It was a very long time ago but a vague relative [professional woman - retired] was locked in the house by "D"H when he was out. She said it made her secure that he cared for her safety (!!)

@babysharkdoodoodedoodedoo

I worked with a man who told people at work how he was so worried for his wife’s safety he locked her in the house. I remember going cold when he said it openly. As though it was normal.

He had told plenty of people about how his first wife just left him no long after wedding.

It ended up with him being arrested at work. She, I believe, went to a shelter and her parents came to pick her up. He, actually, died quite soon after. I always wonder what happened to her.

Donewithrenovating · 12/08/2023 19:02

MsMD · 12/08/2023 18:52

Fellow Duggarsnarker here. Hi 😅

Love a bit of fundiesnarksnark and Duggarsnark!

Caprisunny · 12/08/2023 18:59

babysharkdoodoodedoodedoo · 12/08/2023 18:46

I’m not certain but I don’t think this girl was raised like this. She used to be into fitness and bodybuilding as far as I could tell from her social media, and then gave it up when she met her husband to become a tradwife which had apparently been her dream since childhood. She’s mentioned a few times that this is her own choice and something she’s always wanted, although of course this might not be true

She has always….without influence from her parents believed in gender stereotypes. Definitely didn’t fall into this because she met her husband and he believed it.

She believed it all along….but was also a female body builder? Which isn’t a female stereotypical activity. So she hasn’t always believed it.

It’s either a complete lie and she failed to be a fitness influencer so trying this growing niche….which is horrific. As the name implies….she will be influencing young women into believing it’s true and a good thing. It’s not. Because if it’s fake it’s unlikely her husband asserts any real control over her. Where as young women who think it is real won’t spot the massive red flags when they marry the ‘trad and abusive husband’.

Or there’s been someone influencing her. A church and/or her husband etc

SaltyCrisps · 12/08/2023 18:57

Nuts.

itsmylife7 · 12/08/2023 18:56

HeadacheEarthquake · 12/08/2023 17:21

I work with members of an extreme religious sect that live by this or face punishment/abandonment. It is miserable

Awful for these poor women and here we have the ( privileged) ones choosing this life.

MsMD · 12/08/2023 18:52

Donewithrenovating · 12/08/2023 18:32

I agree, however having delved into the background a lot via Duggarsnark it is extraordinary how abusively sheltered her life was, hers and her sister Priscilla. It seems she was only told what sex was on her marriage night, and the marriage was really brokered by her parents and the duggars, who were looking for someone really clueless.

But you are right and I will be surprised if her children are allowed to stay with her when he is out. Hopefully mostly grown up by then too.

Apparently incest and abuse is rife in that whole religious community.

Fellow Duggarsnarker here. Hi 😅

Thelittleweasel · 12/08/2023 18:50

It was a very long time ago but a vague relative [professional woman - retired] was locked in the house by "D"H when he was out. She said it made her secure that he cared for her safety (!!)

@babysharkdoodoodedoodedoo

zoomingale · 12/08/2023 18:49

babysharkdoodoodedoodedoo · 12/08/2023 17:19

She doesn’t believe women should work, and thinks it’s a man’s place to work while a woman should stay home and clean, cook and care for children. Forgot to mention that part, although assume it’s obvious!

That's disturbing. I hope she doesn't pass these "values" on to her children.

babysharkdoodoodedoodedoo · 12/08/2023 18:46

Caprisunny · 12/08/2023 18:09

In the vast majority of cases they have been raised (indoctrinated) to believe this as a part of a very strict religious upbringing.

Who does it benefit, do you think?

I’m not certain but I don’t think this girl was raised like this. She used to be into fitness and bodybuilding as far as I could tell from her social media, and then gave it up when she met her husband to become a tradwife which had apparently been her dream since childhood. She’s mentioned a few times that this is her own choice and something she’s always wanted, although of course this might not be true

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babysharkdoodoodedoodedoo · 12/08/2023 18:43

Also as someone who has always been a problem solver, it does seem like it might be quite nice to give up on worrying about any stuff and just hand everything difficult to my husband to deal with! But again, the novelty probably wouldn’t last long.

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babysharkdoodoodedoodedoo · 12/08/2023 18:42

I suppose I’m intrigued by it because it’s simultaneously my worst nightmare and also now a bit of a dream (as long as it’s just a game and not real). Me and DH are very much equals and I’d never have married him if we weren’t! I’d have been horrified if, when I met him, he suggested I shouldn’t work and just stay home to cook and clean and have certain rules to follow. However now as a busy mum with a full time job and also studying and trying to stay on top of cleaning and just all the general stuff that people have to do, a part of me thinks it would be lovely to pack it all in and spend my days trying our new recipes and keeping on top of the cleaning while drinking coffee and reading books and wearing nice dresses 😁 but I am sure that the novelty would wear off for me very, very quickly!

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Calvinlookingforhobbes · 12/08/2023 18:34

I’d love to know how this works out for her when she’s 34 and 44…

BMrs · 12/08/2023 18:34

Mischance · 12/08/2023 18:18

It's not about a "movement" - it is about adults having the right to choose how they live their lives. Some women choose to be homemakers - others choose a career outside the home. Either way this is what women's lib was about - the right to choose.

Exactly! As long as everyone is happy, I have no roubles with how they chose to live their lives

Donewithrenovating · 12/08/2023 18:32

MsMD · 12/08/2023 17:57

She knowingly let a pedophile around her children. When he's released she'll do the same. I hope they're all taken away from her. It's disgusting.

I agree, however having delved into the background a lot via Duggarsnark it is extraordinary how abusively sheltered her life was, hers and her sister Priscilla. It seems she was only told what sex was on her marriage night, and the marriage was really brokered by her parents and the duggars, who were looking for someone really clueless.

But you are right and I will be surprised if her children are allowed to stay with her when he is out. Hopefully mostly grown up by then too.

Apparently incest and abuse is rife in that whole religious community.

cosmosy · 12/08/2023 18:30

Snowonthebeachx · 12/08/2023 18:20

Omg I'm slightly obsessed by these women. They keep popping up on my algorithm because I followed a few small holders hippy types and there is some cross over. Also now getting some dubious qanon anti vax stuff which isn't great!

Agree with previous posters it's just a manufactured fantasy for social media. Also they do have jobs as influencers even if they are not selling stuff. They get a lot of meaning and fulfillment over social media engagement so all the stuff about only needing to be domestic is rubbish! I don't think they would exist without insta or tik tok.

Also sidenote: Most women in history have worked in some way even if it was historically a business in the home. The model of one breadwinner is very new and and bit of a fallacy that was popular briefly in the 50s economic boom.

I always wondered how they would react if their husbands (daddies really - though the trad wife thing is not to be confused with daddy’s little girl which is on the other end of the religious/conservativeness spectrum 😅) permanently confiscated their Instagram and Facebook accounts. And also locked them up in the house. Is it really any fun to be a tradwife when it’s no longer a performance for an online cult or local community?

MsMD · 12/08/2023 18:26

Mischance · 12/08/2023 18:18

It's not about a "movement" - it is about adults having the right to choose how they live their lives. Some women choose to be homemakers - others choose a career outside the home. Either way this is what women's lib was about - the right to choose.

This is true. Until they start telling their daughters they have to submit to men and cannot say no, and teaching their sons they're in charge of women.

cosmosy · 12/08/2023 18:26

Ooh I once went down a rabbit hole of this extreme content, a lot of it religious driven but not all. I was trying to figure out what was going on in the women’s heads.

I always suspect they had poor childhoods and now want to be “babied” and taken care of.

They never felt parental love, so submitting to an omnipotent authority figure is their way of feeling worthy.

Also, perhaps they feel love has to be earned as they are unworthy, hence all the stuff about service and submission to their husband.

Conversely I do know women (and in fact a man) who just being domestic instead of chasing career success, and also feel content simply from making others (like their family) happy. That’s a genuine preference I feel, different from the kind of emotionally scarred women posting stuff about women knowing their place, submission and obedience, etc.

Begsthequestion · 12/08/2023 18:25

Bellyblueboy · 12/08/2023 18:01

It’s the children in these families I feel sorry for.

for The girls no value is placed in their education - they are trained to see themselves as less then men.

the boys grow up to believe women should serve them. I manage a lot of men and you can tell the ones who really struggle with a female boss.

This is a really good point. What kind of incongruent life lessons are they teaching their kids?

The girls will feel useless outside the home (or, offline) and the boys will not be able to handle the real world either, where women have all kinds of roles and power over them outside of their home, eg at university, work, in medical care, criminal justice etc.

Snowonthebeachx · 12/08/2023 18:20

Omg I'm slightly obsessed by these women. They keep popping up on my algorithm because I followed a few small holders hippy types and there is some cross over. Also now getting some dubious qanon anti vax stuff which isn't great!

Agree with previous posters it's just a manufactured fantasy for social media. Also they do have jobs as influencers even if they are not selling stuff. They get a lot of meaning and fulfillment over social media engagement so all the stuff about only needing to be domestic is rubbish! I don't think they would exist without insta or tik tok.

Also sidenote: Most women in history have worked in some way even if it was historically a business in the home. The model of one breadwinner is very new and and bit of a fallacy that was popular briefly in the 50s economic boom.

Mischance · 12/08/2023 18:18

It's not about a "movement" - it is about adults having the right to choose how they live their lives. Some women choose to be homemakers - others choose a career outside the home. Either way this is what women's lib was about - the right to choose.

sheworemellowyellow · 12/08/2023 18:17

There’s an article in today’s Guardian about how this Tradwife thing in America has become a stepping stone towards alt-right or alt-lite politics, how these women actually wield massive unnoticed political power (it was women like this who organised the logistics of the Jan 6 riots), and how often they will go on to spew conspiracy theories. Marjorie Taylor-Greene was cited as spouting the sort of nonsense you hear at the extreme end.

It’s not innocuous TikTok’s and Insta posts. Over there it has real-world consequences.

Begsthequestion · 12/08/2023 18:15

Honestly it comes across like a kind of kink thing to me. Like, it's self-imposed because she gets off on being submissive, and her husband being dominant, and they're just doing it 24/7.

As opposed to it being a true theft of individual freedom and bodily autonomy imposed by the law/religion/patriarchy/misogyny, like it is/was in "real" life.

Play acting I suppose. But until they admit this, I'm gonna judge them badly for trying to promote this rubbish outside of consensual BDSM practices.