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Namechange50008 · 06/08/2023 19:10

I've just learnt apparently one per cent of the population is a psychopath.
But generally not in the film way (e.g American Psycho) but in an actual mental health way (e.g high impulsivity/low boredom threshold/egocentric/superficially charming/liars).
There's the Hare Checklist which I've got really into.
But what it boils down is that they don't seem to feel emotions.
I can't comprehend this - I get angry and sad and anxious and all the emotions - and am fascinated. One per seems huge.
Does anyone think they know a psychopath? Genuinely? This isn't an AIBU BTW. I'm honestly just really interested.

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JibbaJab · 11/08/2023 12:34

Sheog · 11/08/2023 11:59

Your comments are actually in that small percentage group which I mentioned as making sense on this thread.

Thanks that's reassuring because I feel like I'm going insane, nobody sees it lol

ConcreteUnderpants · 11/08/2023 12:32

@Sheog I agree.

It is laughable, but also insulting.
I think people are far too quick to label their exes, whoever as narcissistic psychopaths. Perhaps they were just arseholes. Perhaps violent wankers. Psychopaths not so much.

I don’t look like Ted Bundy or have dead eyes. And I yawn!

I very much doubt anyone could really tell that I am diagnosed.

Who knows, your kids might have come round to mine for a play date?!! 😝

ConcreteUnderpants · 11/08/2023 12:24

I am a psychopath.
Yep, a proper diagnosed person be and nothing at all like all of your ‘evil’ exes!

I feel love, anger; joy not so much. Most of the time I am just flat. And tired.

Very tired.
Probably like I imagine many people with ASD are. I mask constantly. Picking up on social cues, so I know when I should smile etc..

There is so so much ignorance and BS on this thread. We are not all mass murdering freaks who like torturing animals.

Sheog · 11/08/2023 11:59

JibbaJab · 11/08/2023 09:46

I mean realistically, I don't have the credentials to say for definite. All I can reference is my on past and current experience of someone who has for a long time shown all the traits I would associate with NPD. It's further than someone who's an arsehole or just narcissistic tendencies I feel in this case.

Psychopaths I'm not sure, again I can't say for definite but I don't assume, serial killer, murderer as I think most would.

Your comments are actually in that small percentage group which I mentioned as making sense on this thread.

JibbaJab · 11/08/2023 09:46

Sheog · 11/08/2023 08:29

It's quite shocking actually. I'd say about 5%-10% of posters have a somewhat realistic idea of the topic and the rest is just based on misconceptions and bad stereotypes.
It's ironic that people would lose their shit if any other group of people was tarred with the same brush in such a fashion, but "psychopath" = evil and deserves judgement" seems to be the credo here.
Most people here would be surprised at the actual nonstereotypical psychopaths in their midst. So yes, I find it laughable.

I mean realistically, I don't have the credentials to say for definite. All I can reference is my on past and current experience of someone who has for a long time shown all the traits I would associate with NPD. It's further than someone who's an arsehole or just narcissistic tendencies I feel in this case.

Psychopaths I'm not sure, again I can't say for definite but I don't assume, serial killer, murderer as I think most would.

whumpthereitis · 11/08/2023 09:41

whumpthereitis · 11/08/2023 09:40

That makes sense. My second highest one was influence. I didn’t get the full run down because I didn’t fancy paying for it, but I’ll probably do some googling.

I did the OCEAN test as well, unsurprisingly it supported the others. High OCE, low AE.

Low N, rather.

whumpthereitis · 11/08/2023 09:40

thecatsthecats · 11/08/2023 08:35

We did a whole formal assessment and training on DISC at work.

It was really helpful, a useful way of framing the communication styles, behavioural traits and skills of the team. Unsurprisingly, all of the leadership team showed at least some Dominance.

That makes sense. My second highest one was influence. I didn’t get the full run down because I didn’t fancy paying for it, but I’ll probably do some googling.

I did the OCEAN test as well, unsurprisingly it supported the others. High OCE, low AE.

whumpthereitis · 11/08/2023 09:32

It’s a pernicious stereotype that psychopaths don’t feel emotions. In brain scans, it’s observed that the emotional deficit relates mainly to fear and anxiety. Other emotions may be muted in comparison than those experienced by those with normal brains, but they are there. Hell, even empathy can be experienced when it’s specifically focused on as the goal.

thecatsthecats · 11/08/2023 08:35

whumpthereitis · 10/08/2023 16:21

@thecatsthecats

I’ve just done the DISC and scored Dominant. I haven’t read into it properly yet, but at first glance it correlates with ENTJ.

We did a whole formal assessment and training on DISC at work.

It was really helpful, a useful way of framing the communication styles, behavioural traits and skills of the team. Unsurprisingly, all of the leadership team showed at least some Dominance.

Sheog · 11/08/2023 08:29

GarlicGrace · 11/08/2023 00:56

Personality disorders are stereotypes. Plenty of wiggle room in there for individuality, to be sure, but all diagnostics rely on typology.

There does seem to be a certain amount of misapprehension and misinformation on this thread: it's an internet forum, what do you expect?

You could always enlighten us with your rigorous insight.

It's quite shocking actually. I'd say about 5%-10% of posters have a somewhat realistic idea of the topic and the rest is just based on misconceptions and bad stereotypes.
It's ironic that people would lose their shit if any other group of people was tarred with the same brush in such a fashion, but "psychopath" = evil and deserves judgement" seems to be the credo here.
Most people here would be surprised at the actual nonstereotypical psychopaths in their midst. So yes, I find it laughable.

xsquared · 11/08/2023 07:38

DaisyChayne · 11/08/2023 02:15

My exh did the reckless driving thing on a motorway. I was pregnant. I subsequently miscarried which may have been what he wanted.

I'm so sorry to hear about that @DaisyChayne . That must have been so traumatic for you.

Glad he's no longer your h.

PopGoesTheWeaselYetAgain · 11/08/2023 05:44

Namechange50008 · 06/08/2023 19:10

I've just learnt apparently one per cent of the population is a psychopath.
But generally not in the film way (e.g American Psycho) but in an actual mental health way (e.g high impulsivity/low boredom threshold/egocentric/superficially charming/liars).
There's the Hare Checklist which I've got really into.
But what it boils down is that they don't seem to feel emotions.
I can't comprehend this - I get angry and sad and anxious and all the emotions - and am fascinated. One per seems huge.
Does anyone think they know a psychopath? Genuinely? This isn't an AIBU BTW. I'm honestly just really interested.

I thought the term for what you d'escrime is 'sociopath'? Not actually physically violent, but just don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. Definitely mote than 1% of those around!

Sheranovermytoes · 11/08/2023 05:28

I don't currently know anyone with sociopathic personality disorder. A woman in my old work place years ago was very open about herself. She loved people's reaction. She was a compulsive liar, in the six months I worked with her she

  1. Had a boyfriend that died of testicular cancer.-not true.
  2. Got engaged to Andy Carroll the football player.- not true.
  3. Her parents died - not true.

The odd thing was she was local to where we worked and lived on the same street as some of our co workers.....with her very much alive parents.
She told me she was psychic too. I just told her to stay away and that I find her compulsive lies dull and childish.

I don't have time to make friends with these people....they freak my out and I need to know where I stand.

DaisyChayne · 11/08/2023 02:15

xsquared · 06/08/2023 20:54

I could have written this about the person who I suspect is a psychopath.

On top of your list, I'll add:
Always the victim if something goes wrong, or someone else's fault.

Expects you to drop everything to focus ok them. Once I was on my way to a funeral and told them it wasnt a good time to talk and that I had family around. They hung up after telling me to "Just forget about me."

Highly manipulative and uses emotional blackmail to get you to acquiesce to what they want from you.

Zero empathy for others.

If you call them out on how their behaviour hurt you, they will gaslight you first to deny it happened.
When you remind them and pin the exact moment, they will have conveniently forgotten about it or tell you it was ages ago and that you shouldn't still hold a grudge, when it only happened the last time you saw them.
Then they'll tell you actually yoi deserved it or you're only complaining because it was a guilty pleasure for you. He tried to rape me ad when I said no, he drove recklessly to frighten me.

I was so confused with the extremes of his behaviour and was going round in circles, having the same conversation every time, but having read up on aspd, I now realise far too late that I was being gaslit and being fed word salad. He made my life a living hell and I suffered from nightmares years later.

He still had the nerve to write to me years later to declare love and how he is sorry a.f sad to have lost a good friend and the only woman he loved.

Fuck off and die leave me alone.

My exh did the reckless driving thing on a motorway. I was pregnant. I subsequently miscarried which may have been what he wanted.

Rudderneck · 11/08/2023 01:34

Namechange50008 · 10/08/2023 12:47

How do people with high psychopathic traits get into relationships? Is a lot of it based on convenience? All my relationships have been based on love.

My friend who I talked about earlier in the thread isn't incapable of love. He loves a few family members, and a few other people. It's more muted, maybe, than most people, but it's certainly real. But the vast majority of people he's pretty indifferent to.

GarlicGrace · 11/08/2023 00:56

Sheog · 10/08/2023 22:41

Oh my, I can't stop laughing at this thread. The steretypes and stupidity levels are through the roof. Please keep going! I am learning so much

Personality disorders are stereotypes. Plenty of wiggle room in there for individuality, to be sure, but all diagnostics rely on typology.

There does seem to be a certain amount of misapprehension and misinformation on this thread: it's an internet forum, what do you expect?

You could always enlighten us with your rigorous insight.

BOOTS52PollyPrissyPants · 10/08/2023 23:15

Yes an ex, narcissistic behavior and enjoying breaking someone down slowly emotionally for their enjoyment. They look for a happy bubbly person and enjoy breaking the person's soul. They have no empathy at all, are not happy in themselves or have joy in their life, they can fake it for a while but they really seem to hate others and anyone who is different etc. Not having empathy is a big thing and anyone who hurts an animal when they are a small child is a big red flag. Only regret I have in life is ever getting involved with this person after been single for years as they try to destroy you as a person and make out to everyone else that you are crazy so they look good. No one understands unless they have been through it and it is really hard to explain to others.

Sheog · 10/08/2023 22:41

Oh my, I can't stop laughing at this thread. The steretypes and stupidity levels are through the roof. Please keep going! I am learning so much

whumpthereitis · 10/08/2023 20:02

Remembermynamealways · 10/08/2023 19:34

My father has a clinical diagnosis and he is a psychopath, I am not totally sure if he has other conditions as well.

My father didn’t bother pretending to care publicly, he genuinely had no interest in what others thought of him, so he was just as bad wherever we were. I got used to the worried looks and furtive reactions in other adults.

Is your ex dh psychopathic? The favourites thing is very damaging

There’s a few comorbidities it isn’t unusual to see with it, at least in regards to the ones usually studied.

it isn’t uncommon for psychopaths/those with psychopathic tendencies to have children for various reasons. Some will do so because of the image it provides: the ‘family man/woman’, and for assimilation.

JibbaJab · 10/08/2023 19:41

@Remembermynamealways Oh that's sad to hear I can imagine that was hard to live through.

No but all the indicators are there and this behavior extends beyond me, I was just the one that got the closest. It may come to an assessment as if it goes that far I'll be requesting one for all of us as it's too coincidental and she's doing everything in her power to destroy me and the children's relationship.

I mean as an example I had endless bouts of waking up suffocating I thought it was sleep apnea but I'm not that old and never had it before. Yeah, just openly admitted one day been suffocating me in my sleep for a bit here and there, they found it quite funny.

Remembermynamealways · 10/08/2023 19:34

JibbaJab · 10/08/2023 18:55

@Remembermynamealways Again, likely narcissist rather than psychopath or a mix, I don't know.

Mine had a life goal of wanting them that was something made clear from the start. This was fine for me as I wanted children too, however they wanted them as soon as possible rather than getting financially secure. We did after a while of trying, which of course was my fault it didn't happen sooner but it was still fast.

The first, no true bond whatsoever right away and I raised them the whole way. Said they loved them, cared for them but said they don't have a bond. Second, totally different and was inseparable and still is now but it's to the point of obsession.

They are treated differently, one is getting a raw experience of the world full of truth, things should not know yet and has a lot of rules and responsibilities. Very much like me, empathic. Other, treated like a prince and can do no wrong and do whatever wants to and nobody else is allowed to care for them. Lovely and sweet but not so empathetic.

In general they are possessions, extensions of them almost and it's again control. They are social tools more than anything, totally different parenting style in public than at home. At home leave them to own devices, while they do what they want to do.

I found they prefer babies and toddlers and I believe this is because they are controllable without own opinions. The attention is higher at those ages from others too. As they get older more hassle, a voice of their own. However, a crying baby or screaming baby doesn't have the same response as most, it's rage inducing rather than say, worry.

Alongside this they hate other children with a passion, specifically preteen and teenagers except those who have some form of issue like themselves that make them broken or need their pity. The care is false though because it makes them look better by showing 'care' to these and everyone around thinks, oh how good they are. If only they knew.

Mine can be extremely horrible and blunt with one of mine. Not to the lengths you have experienced but I'm not there now so I have no idea and I'm worried about that. It is very much akin to treating them like a slave or animal at times.

My father has a clinical diagnosis and he is a psychopath, I am not totally sure if he has other conditions as well.

My father didn’t bother pretending to care publicly, he genuinely had no interest in what others thought of him, so he was just as bad wherever we were. I got used to the worried looks and furtive reactions in other adults.

Is your ex dh psychopathic? The favourites thing is very damaging

JibbaJab · 10/08/2023 19:30

blisstwins · 10/08/2023 19:27

My ex husband. Social worker recommended I get sole custody of my children without my asking for it. He seemed normal for a long time, but he was only acting. Turned out to be a very scary person.

Scary to think working as a social worker. Although have to wonder like those cases you hear about in care homes too.

whumpthereitis · 10/08/2023 19:30

Dramatic · 10/08/2023 19:29

Yeah that's fair enough, just seemed an odd choice for a child free person.

That, and I’m clearly a psychopath (credit to @JibbaJab)

Dramatic · 10/08/2023 19:29

whumpthereitis · 10/08/2023 19:20

It does have a childfree board, so parents are not the only ones mumsnet seeks as an audience.

entertainment, essentially. Same reason that I use other forums. The same reasons that a lot of people use forums. I enjoy discussion, and it’s interesting to read about the experiences of others.

Yeah that's fair enough, just seemed an odd choice for a child free person.

blisstwins · 10/08/2023 19:27

My ex husband. Social worker recommended I get sole custody of my children without my asking for it. He seemed normal for a long time, but he was only acting. Turned out to be a very scary person.