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To consider myself working class?

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TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 17:50

I'm fully aware that it doesn't matter, but for the sake of argument - basically an ongoing debate with friend who insists I am middle class - which of us would be correct?

My background:
Dad probs upper working, good job but no higher education, bought our house and subsequent houses without mortgage. Mum from educated family but was SAHM. Grew up in MC area and schools, kept horses but more rough and tumble than 'posh'. Had a few years off too travel and have fun in late teens largely funded by parents, then went to uni late and studied fine art.
This, according to my friend cements me as MC.

The present day:
Followed my passion and became a painter. Didn't want to marry or have children so chose to rent. Preferred this as could move around and experience different places. Bit of a free spirit, but had to accept some financial insecurity for the pleasure! Am now in 40's and still similar, very content with long term DP but, I presume, not typical for many my age.
I have a decent 5 figure sum in savings although we received only a smallish inheritance due to both parents needing care in old age (they had also given their second property to an aunt and uncle who developed health issues in later life).
My income is somewhat fluid and would possibly terrify some, but I have intermittently earned very, very well and often receive high payments for my work (anywhere from £200 to £1k per commission or piece), but some months are quite the opposite.
So my lifestyle is not standard and has some financial insecurity, but I made my own choices.
Therefore, since I don't own a home or have a private pension I perceive my status to be 'working class', regardless of my background privileges and lifestyle. My friend argues not!

Which of us is correct?

OP posts:
TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 18:53

Callyem · 06/08/2023 18:49

This!

I agree, but did admit that. I was thinking of the new 'categories' i had read about on the bbc which put me in the precariat/working class. My friend disagreed. I typed this here and got a whipping, but then this is AIBU!

I love my choice but i am not in the most enviable financial state Grin If i find extra work to supplement this it will be low skill as I have no other experience outside of the arts.

Some here have said I am bohemian upper class, well i am certainly bohemian but the upper part made me laugh out loud. Surely upper class folks don't rent till death?

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itsmylife7 · 06/08/2023 18:52

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 18:46

Just a technicality - no home ownership or pension, so finance i suppose?

But you chose to live this way, didn't you ?

I agree you're not working class OP.

LondonQueen · 06/08/2023 18:51

You are by no means working class. Probably lower middle class, especially with the "hobby job" and party lifestyle funded by your parents.

UrsulaBelle · 06/08/2023 18:50

My parents were brought up working class. Lived in rented housing until council houses became available. Parents were unskilled, maid, gardener, etc one of my grandparents was in the navy. My mum left school at 14 to work in a bakery and had a few jobs until she married my dad. My dad went to the local grammar school, got his higher school cert and did national service. He got a job with the BBC. Bought a house age 30.

This meant that my siblings and I were brought up much more middle class. I went to university, the first in my family. I’m currently a single parent with one child with SN so by income I’m back to working class, but I still feel middle class.

You are 100% middle class, OP, same as me.

Callyem · 06/08/2023 18:49

Bluesclues1 · 06/08/2023 18:01

You’ve had choices and opportunity your whole life. That’s something that many people of working class backgrounds can only dream of.

you’ve chosen a quirky, non conventional lifestyle but I’m sure you could have purchased a house or had a steady, well paid job if you’d had wanted to.

This!

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 18:48

User6761 · 06/08/2023 18:44

Very well put. It's the multi-generational lack of 'cultural capital' you describe that can really set people apart and limit social mobility. The OP's post is the exact opposite. I think being able to do something you love/a hobby as a job without having to consider how you will keep a roof over your head (because there is an inheritance/trust fund/safety net of a wealthy family in the background) is exceptionally upper middle class.

Thank you, your point makes sense. However, at this point in my life I really DO have to worry about accommodation - but, I was able to make that choice early on, so it is my own, self made problem.

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WunWun · 06/08/2023 18:48

How much inheritance do you imagine working class people generally receive?

POWL01 · 06/08/2023 18:46

You have no Idea what working class is so fuck off on your middle class horse hon.

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 18:46

WunWun · 06/08/2023 18:45

I don't get what part makes you think you are working class?

Just a technicality - no home ownership or pension, so finance i suppose?

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TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 18:46

It is bizarre and somewhat insulting to presume there are no working class artists. I know many.

OP posts:
WunWun · 06/08/2023 18:45

I don't get what part makes you think you are working class?

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 18:45

Berlinlover · 06/08/2023 18:38

You seem self absorbed and are most definitely middle class.

To mention a passing thing on MN does not make one 'obsessed' or absorbed.
I once started a thread about eggs, but i cant say they take up a lot of my attention in daily life.

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User6761 · 06/08/2023 18:44

Mstxxx · 06/08/2023 18:34

I would say definitely not working class…

I consider myself formally working class - I grew up on a council estate in a 2 bed flat with 6 people and 2 dogs. My mum was a single mum on benefits & working 2 jobs as a cleaner and dinner lady. There were days we would search the back of the couch to find change so we could all share a cone of chips from the chippy. No one in my family had ever been to college or university before I did. My mum could never afford to give me any money at college or university, as in not even £20.

I grew up with no idea how college or uni works, how taxes or mortgages work, how saving money works, how having a real decent job works, how to do a CV, how important qualifications are - because my mum had no idea about any of that stuff and neither did her mum and so on and so on. I will never have any inheritance because my mum doesn’t have a penny to her name except debt and benefits and that is reality too for a lot of people I grew up with. A lot of people end up like their parents because of the lack of knowledge being passed down. That’s my idea of working class (unless there’s a lower one?!)

Very well put. It's the multi-generational lack of 'cultural capital' you describe that can really set people apart and limit social mobility. The OP's post is the exact opposite. I think being able to do something you love/a hobby as a job without having to consider how you will keep a roof over your head (because there is an inheritance/trust fund/safety net of a wealthy family in the background) is exceptionally upper middle class.

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 18:44

Luxell934 · 06/08/2023 18:24

How were your parents able to buy multiple houses without a mortgage?

My dad earned a good deal from quite young, plus maternal GP's contributing to their first home, which was a tiny terrace. This would have been in the early 60's. By the 1980's we were fairly well off financially.

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TheWayoftheLeaf · 06/08/2023 18:42

You're middle class.

Your mum was privileged and had an arts education, horses and travelled. Your father made his own money but that meant you were raised in a privileged home with no mortgage and you went on to do an artistic career.

RattleRattle · 06/08/2023 18:42

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sageandrosemary · 06/08/2023 18:41

What on earth made you ever consider yourself WC?!

luckylavender · 06/08/2023 18:41

Icedlatteplease · 06/08/2023 17:55

Definitely not working class. More bohemian lower upper class

This

RattleRattle · 06/08/2023 18:40

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FeelTheRush · 06/08/2023 18:40

No one who describes themselves as a painter is working class - for 99% of people it’s a hobby job for the privileged.

VoldemortsSockCollection · 06/08/2023 18:39

Holy cow!

BCBird · 06/08/2023 18:39

Duh,took me a while to get the Pulp reference

Berlinlover · 06/08/2023 18:38

You seem self absorbed and are most definitely middle class.

Mstxxx · 06/08/2023 18:34

I would say definitely not working class…

I consider myself formally working class - I grew up on a council estate in a 2 bed flat with 6 people and 2 dogs. My mum was a single mum on benefits & working 2 jobs as a cleaner and dinner lady. There were days we would search the back of the couch to find change so we could all share a cone of chips from the chippy. No one in my family had ever been to college or university before I did. My mum could never afford to give me any money at college or university, as in not even £20.

I grew up with no idea how college or uni works, how taxes or mortgages work, how saving money works, how having a real decent job works, how to do a CV, how important qualifications are - because my mum had no idea about any of that stuff and neither did her mum and so on and so on. I will never have any inheritance because my mum doesn’t have a penny to her name except debt and benefits and that is reality too for a lot of people I grew up with. A lot of people end up like their parents because of the lack of knowledge being passed down. That’s my idea of working class (unless there’s a lower one?!)

Elizadoloads · 06/08/2023 18:33

MasterBeth · 06/08/2023 17:56

Horses, second homes, "small inheritance", teenage party lifestyle funded by parents, "travelling", bohemian adult career...

Do you come from Greece and have a thirst for knowledge?

😂 did you study sculpture at St Martins college?

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