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To consider myself working class?

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TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 17:50

I'm fully aware that it doesn't matter, but for the sake of argument - basically an ongoing debate with friend who insists I am middle class - which of us would be correct?

My background:
Dad probs upper working, good job but no higher education, bought our house and subsequent houses without mortgage. Mum from educated family but was SAHM. Grew up in MC area and schools, kept horses but more rough and tumble than 'posh'. Had a few years off too travel and have fun in late teens largely funded by parents, then went to uni late and studied fine art.
This, according to my friend cements me as MC.

The present day:
Followed my passion and became a painter. Didn't want to marry or have children so chose to rent. Preferred this as could move around and experience different places. Bit of a free spirit, but had to accept some financial insecurity for the pleasure! Am now in 40's and still similar, very content with long term DP but, I presume, not typical for many my age.
I have a decent 5 figure sum in savings although we received only a smallish inheritance due to both parents needing care in old age (they had also given their second property to an aunt and uncle who developed health issues in later life).
My income is somewhat fluid and would possibly terrify some, but I have intermittently earned very, very well and often receive high payments for my work (anywhere from £200 to £1k per commission or piece), but some months are quite the opposite.
So my lifestyle is not standard and has some financial insecurity, but I made my own choices.
Therefore, since I don't own a home or have a private pension I perceive my status to be 'working class', regardless of my background privileges and lifestyle. My friend argues not!

Which of us is correct?

OP posts:
TheKeatingFive · 06/08/2023 19:42

I mean, your friend is right, but does it really matter?

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 19:40

Greenfree · 06/08/2023 19:37

So your best friend made a good living as a sound engineer before becoming an artist and the poet tutors to support his income I guess? So they both also had/have real jobs too

Yes, but I am not sure where people have come to the conclusion that I do not have to work for a living.
When my income dips, I shit myself, and my savings are going down. I will definitely have to take on extra work soon.
My teenage years do not apply now, even if i began life with those privileges.

Most people in the UK have to work for a living, one way or another. Very few of us live on stored savings alone or inheritance.

The recent bbc report on class categories put my financial situation at precariat/working class, hence my op. I was aware that my background was more middle.

OP posts:
Greenfree · 06/08/2023 19:40

*Dd's not dad's

Greenfree · 06/08/2023 19:39

I've never experienced poverty but some working class families do. I see with my Dad's school friends, their parents are having to make a choice of food or paying £20 for a school trip, others are even worse off and having to use food banks.

Greenfree · 06/08/2023 19:37

So your best friend made a good living as a sound engineer before becoming an artist and the poet tutors to support his income I guess? So they both also had/have real jobs too

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 19:35

Greenfree · 06/08/2023 19:30

Op, you keep saying you know many working class artist - how do you know they are working class when you though you were? I don't know anyone who I grew up with that would choose that as a career as they would want a very stable income. The only people I know who followed an artistic career path are through my ExDH and they are all very upper MC e.g Parents bought them their first car etc, large inheritance from family, parents gave them an allowance while at uni etc

I don't even know anyone who is upper MC.

My best friend is an artist, for example, came from a WC family in council housing. She was told to move out on leaving school if she wanted to go to college, as it was expected she contributed right away to the family pot. Her family would not accept her interest in music or science.
She never went to uni but did make a good living as a sound engineer and still tours with bands. Perhaps some of it depends on the determination of the individual - except of course she began with less resources and security.

A published poet I know is thoroughly working class although his family support his choice. He is also a par time tutor.

Do people on MN thing the working class are all in poverty? Many are extremely affluent here.

OP posts:
Greenfree · 06/08/2023 19:32

Oh and they don't ever have meals like cottage pie, corned beef sandwiches and chips, egg and chips etc

Fruitcakesanddogs · 06/08/2023 19:31

You’re middleclass

Greenfree · 06/08/2023 19:30

Op, you keep saying you know many working class artist - how do you know they are working class when you though you were? I don't know anyone who I grew up with that would choose that as a career as they would want a very stable income. The only people I know who followed an artistic career path are through my ExDH and they are all very upper MC e.g Parents bought them their first car etc, large inheritance from family, parents gave them an allowance while at uni etc

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 19:27

In reality I tend to reckon we are all essentially working class, as in all descended from peasants, which was re-circuited by 20thC politicians to create division amongst us in an effort to drive more profits to the 'top'.

The invention of the middle class was a smashing idea, created something to 'aspire' to, and for those who achieved it, someone to 'look down on'. Rather nifty!

OP posts:
Proudmum17 · 06/08/2023 19:26

catsnhats11 · 06/08/2023 18:56

Wow there are some nasty replies on here, the OP was just making conversation no-one is obliged to reply.

They asked a question and got people's honest thoughts.

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 19:19

Daphnis156 · 06/08/2023 19:16

I would describe you as an aging hippy.
Your account reeks of a lower middle class upbringing, and your assertion that you are working class is pretentious, and would fool no one.

Ageing hippy.....I think i love you Grin

i would never claim to be any class in the real life company of others though!

OP posts:
Daphnis156 · 06/08/2023 19:16

I would describe you as an aging hippy.
Your account reeks of a lower middle class upbringing, and your assertion that you are working class is pretentious, and would fool no one.

Mrsjayy · 06/08/2023 19:10

Someoneonlyyouknow · 06/08/2023 19:07

Your politeness marks you as middle class lol

Working class would have told posters including me to piss off with their cheek !

Someoneonlyyouknow · 06/08/2023 19:07

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 19:00

Dont worry i have my MN crafted helmet on!

Your politeness marks you as middle class lol

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 06/08/2023 19:07

You are incredibly middle class.

”had horses, but more rough and tumble than posh” is possibly the most middle class thing ive heard for a while.

at the end of the day it doesn’t matter, but you’re far from working class.

ActDottie · 06/08/2023 19:07

Definitely middle class.

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 19:00

Saverage · 06/08/2023 18:59

I was thinking that. OP has been nothing but polite and got some shitty replies.

Dont worry i have my MN crafted helmet on!

OP posts:
TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 18:59

Proudmum17 · 06/08/2023 18:55

I'm going with a polite response rather than my original thoughts. You are maybe a little deluded as to what growing up in council or housing authority housing was like with school dinners, parent who if they worked worked in a blue collar occupation and your choice of career being limited to those where no university education would be required and pay checks were required. No one I know, NO ONE would be an artist, actor, dancer or anything else with such a flaky pay schedule as to then need handouts from time to time as thd wouldn't ever happen.

You make a good point, and in my teens I had friends in those circumstances who occasionally told me exactly that. I was never ignorant, but admit to not knowing how people lived prior to leaving school, our place was a bubble i suppose. I was happy to learn.

I am much less financially secure than many of those people now though, so defining class as capital is too simplistic of me. I have no real social capital now either, but I appreciate that I may not fit in to WC on capital alone.

OP posts:
Saverage · 06/08/2023 18:59

catsnhats11 · 06/08/2023 18:56

Wow there are some nasty replies on here, the OP was just making conversation no-one is obliged to reply.

I was thinking that. OP has been nothing but polite and got some shitty replies.

Missey85 · 06/08/2023 18:57

God what is with the obsession with class? But of course your friends correct you wouldn't be mc

catsnhats11 · 06/08/2023 18:56

Wow there are some nasty replies on here, the OP was just making conversation no-one is obliged to reply.

Proudmum17 · 06/08/2023 18:55

I'm going with a polite response rather than my original thoughts. You are maybe a little deluded as to what growing up in council or housing authority housing was like with school dinners, parent who if they worked worked in a blue collar occupation and your choice of career being limited to those where no university education would be required and pay checks were required. No one I know, NO ONE would be an artist, actor, dancer or anything else with such a flaky pay schedule as to then need handouts from time to time as thd wouldn't ever happen.

SophieHope7 · 06/08/2023 18:55

Iwantmyoldnameback · 06/08/2023 17:55

What an odd post.

This made me laugh 😂

RattleRattle · 06/08/2023 18:53

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