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To consider myself working class?

306 replies

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 17:50

I'm fully aware that it doesn't matter, but for the sake of argument - basically an ongoing debate with friend who insists I am middle class - which of us would be correct?

My background:
Dad probs upper working, good job but no higher education, bought our house and subsequent houses without mortgage. Mum from educated family but was SAHM. Grew up in MC area and schools, kept horses but more rough and tumble than 'posh'. Had a few years off too travel and have fun in late teens largely funded by parents, then went to uni late and studied fine art.
This, according to my friend cements me as MC.

The present day:
Followed my passion and became a painter. Didn't want to marry or have children so chose to rent. Preferred this as could move around and experience different places. Bit of a free spirit, but had to accept some financial insecurity for the pleasure! Am now in 40's and still similar, very content with long term DP but, I presume, not typical for many my age.
I have a decent 5 figure sum in savings although we received only a smallish inheritance due to both parents needing care in old age (they had also given their second property to an aunt and uncle who developed health issues in later life).
My income is somewhat fluid and would possibly terrify some, but I have intermittently earned very, very well and often receive high payments for my work (anywhere from £200 to £1k per commission or piece), but some months are quite the opposite.
So my lifestyle is not standard and has some financial insecurity, but I made my own choices.
Therefore, since I don't own a home or have a private pension I perceive my status to be 'working class', regardless of my background privileges and lifestyle. My friend argues not!

Which of us is correct?

OP posts:
Greenfree · 06/08/2023 18:05

Are you actually having to ask? Not that it matters but your definitely middle class, the fact your a painter (and not the decorating kind) also cements this. Your upbringing confirms this also

TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 18:04

bringbacksideburns · 06/08/2023 18:02

You are middle class but want to be seen as WC. Why?

I think your dad became upper MC once he started being able to buy houses without mortgages.

WC are having trouble getting the social housing once available and face homelessness in some areas and ridiculous private rent. Not sure that describes you nor does your occupation.

No, i don't wish to be any of them, I would prefer a world without them tbh, but for the sake of argument I do hear MC is defined as owning property.

OP posts:
TheCatsKnickers · 06/08/2023 18:03

Don't be daft, my background is very humble compared to the 'common people' example, christ no!
My dad was a true Yorkshire man who would not speak out of dialect, He sold fancy cheese. We were not quite the London set Grin
I am talking very, very bog standard MC here. Friends went on to teach or work in NHS etc, we are not trust fund babies.

I suppose I am in the new precariat tribe, concerning my income.

OP posts:
OrangeCrayon · 06/08/2023 18:03

So many of these weird class threads the last few days. What's going on? Why does it even matter? It's all completely arbitrary.

FourTeaFallOut · 06/08/2023 18:03

All the starving poets are middle class. It's the bohemian skipping over the social fabric in the kind of play which is only comfortable when you have enough financial, social and cultural capital to engineer another path in haste.

bringbacksideburns · 06/08/2023 18:02

You are middle class but want to be seen as WC. Why?

I think your dad became upper MC once he started being able to buy houses without mortgages.

WC are having trouble getting the social housing once available and face homelessness in some areas and ridiculous private rent. Not sure that describes you nor does your occupation.

Toottooot · 06/08/2023 18:02

Wooptie fucking ping.

ginandtonicwithlimes · 06/08/2023 18:01

Why does it matter?

Bluesclues1 · 06/08/2023 18:01

You’ve had choices and opportunity your whole life. That’s something that many people of working class backgrounds can only dream of.

you’ve chosen a quirky, non conventional lifestyle but I’m sure you could have purchased a house or had a steady, well paid job if you’d had wanted to.

hopeishere · 06/08/2023 18:00

Come on!! Totally MC!!

Muckysmucky · 06/08/2023 18:00

This is so funny.
OP you are so far from working class it’s untrue.
Your friend must have rolled her eyes so hard her sockets hurt.

topcat2014 · 06/08/2023 17:59

What's wrong with being MC anyway?
I know I am, and it's never bothered me.

Oh, and your friend is correct

TiramisuTastesDreamy · 06/08/2023 17:58

The situations you describe are absolutely not working class…..

calmcoco · 06/08/2023 17:58

Mutabiliss · 06/08/2023 17:54

Technically anyone who needs to work is working class.

However, in terms of British society and expectations I would say your upbringing and current situation are firmly middle class.

Never heard this, where do you get this definition from?

MasterBeth · 06/08/2023 17:58

Someone else beat us both!

Curseofthenation · 06/08/2023 17:57

@MasterBeth Beat me by seconds 😆

electriclight · 06/08/2023 17:57

I think you're working class.

Your dad was uneducated and did not do a professional job.

Your mum was educated but never worked.

You don't mention your education but you are a painter selling pieces for peanuts on an ad hoc basis with savings of just 'five figures' and no home security.

Robinbuildsbears · 06/08/2023 17:57

It's frankly ridiculous that you think you are working class.

ScatteredShattered · 06/08/2023 17:57

Literally everything you’ve written sounds middle class including the luxury ‘hobby job’

MasterBeth · 06/08/2023 17:56

Horses, second homes, "small inheritance", teenage party lifestyle funded by parents, "travelling", bohemian adult career...

Do you come from Greece and have a thirst for knowledge?

Curseofthenation · 06/08/2023 17:56

You are in no way working class. You sound like you're fresh out of role-playing in Pulp's Common People 😂.

calmcoco · 06/08/2023 17:56

I'd make the same judgement as your friend.

Iwantmyoldnameback · 06/08/2023 17:55

What an odd post.

Icedlatteplease · 06/08/2023 17:55

Definitely not working class. More bohemian lower upper class

HollyGolightly4 · 06/08/2023 17:54

Utterly middle class