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Holiday gatecrasher

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TakingTheLowRoad · 02/08/2023 16:17

Have come on a long awaited, short holiday to visit a family member in mainland Europe. First holiday away since 2019 due to covid and financial reasons. I had been invited previously but couldn’t afford it. As it is I only managed to save enough for the flight for myself and one child and can only stay for four nights due to cost of food etc.

On my way to the airport I get a call asking if I can pick up my mum on the way as she’s invited herself along.

She has been to this place several times before me and had lots of time to visit other than when I am here.

The vibe is totally different. She has form for not considering my feelings and has not crashed any of my other siblings holidays to the same destination. This is my only holiday this year yet she will have several more (retired with access to plenty of money).

She is not a person I would have any interest in spending time with and now I’m stuck with her. She has never considered my feelings and has put me in difficult situations because she expects me just to do what I’m told. I have nothing to talk to her about. And it’s all a power trip for her - she has to show me that I have no control what she does and if it causes disruption to me all the better.

AIBU for really struggling with this - I feel like my holiday has been ruined and I can’t wait to go home. And I feel like I’m regressing to the uncared for child I was growing up.

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ginghamstarfish · 03/08/2023 21:02

Sounds awful OP. There's a lot to be said for going NC with family who are like this, I've done it and it's like a great weight off your shoulders. Please tell the family member that it wasn't their place to tell her your plans.

SaponificationQueen · 03/08/2023 20:57

FictionalCharacter · 03/08/2023 20:52

"I don't deserve to be treated like this" <sniff> Did you get that one?

I absolutely got that one from my NSDM!

SaponificationQueen · 03/08/2023 20:56

Confusedby1 · 03/08/2023 20:29

Don't get me wrong, I know this, I just don't get why inviting herself along on the holiday to spend time together is such a bad thing?? I still don't understand the original post.. 🙄

If you don’t get why her inviting herself along is such a bad thing, you definitely haven’t dealt with a Narcissist. Think of the person you would least like to be on holiday with. How would you feel if that person invited themselves along on your holiday.

Not understanding her feelings here could be one of two things. Either there are no Narcissists in your life, in which case I would say that is awesome; or you don’t understand the concept of boundaries. Either way, OP is entitled to feel her feelings.

TakenRoot · 03/08/2023 20:53

Huge sympathies OP.

Carry on not engaging (much) , offer paracetamol and the suggestion of her going for a long lie down and get in with your day. Yes, go to water park / out etc. Build an imaginary cocoon around yourself. Go for walk in the shade with a book and a bottle of water and leave your Ds with sibling, cousin and her?

FictionalCharacter · 03/08/2023 20:52

SaponificationQueen · 03/08/2023 20:46

OMG we have the same mother! Mine used to do that too. Look at how horrible my daughter is treating me. NC was my only option with a toxic parent like that.

"I don't deserve to be treated like this" <sniff> Did you get that one?

SaponificationQueen · 03/08/2023 20:46

TakingTheLowRoad · 03/08/2023 19:02

She’s now going around sulking saying she doesn’t feel well and looking at me with tears in her eyes, all in front of my sibling. I just keep walking off and not engaging. It’s driving her MAD but she won’t saying anything because she knows I’ll call her out on her behaviour. She is an absolute child, not eating or drinking and then having a big dramatic scene.

OMG we have the same mother! Mine used to do that too. Look at how horrible my daughter is treating me. NC was my only option with a toxic parent like that.

Seasideanticscanleadtosandybuckets · 03/08/2023 20:42

Being nc isn't bad at all op. Very liberating in fact. I told my dc sometimes people just aren't who /what they claim to be. As they became adults they understood a lot more. None have ever contacted her.
She doesn't even know I am a dgm and she is a dggm.. No need she should be told. Allow yourself time to mourn the fact your dm is in the nc box. And literally mentally file her away.

SaponificationQueen · 03/08/2023 20:41

I had a toxic mother like that. I refused to tell her where I lived for many years because she did not respect boundaries and would show up uninvited. She tried everything to get my address. She even once told me she was doing her will and needed my address to put in the will. Nope. I knew better.

I definitely feel for you. I had to go NC and even change my phone number to get her to stop calling me. She then harassed my siblings trying to get information about me. My brother would tell her everything. I finally told him if she found out one more thing about me from him, he and I would be done. He did it again, and I went NC with him too.

I just don’t understand what people like that who will insert themselves into the lives of others when they have obviously been told they aren’t wanted or welcome. I could never do that. Then again, she was what I now understand was a Covert Narcissist. Everything is all about them.

FictionalCharacter · 03/08/2023 20:40

Sorry that was meant for @Confusedby1 . But now I've seen your other posts and I can see you're just stirring.

ThatFraggle · 03/08/2023 20:40

Confusedby1 · 03/08/2023 20:34

Is this really because she stood on your wedding dress... seriously...

Let me guess, the world is out to get you...

Do people not realise parents are human too and make mistakes... just ciz you have kids doesn't mean you get it right. Mine certainly didn't but its how you act as an adult and don't repeat the same mistakes.

Just move on. Clearly you are both no good for each other. Either have it out with her like an adult or ask her to book elsewhere to stay for the remainder.

Maybe you empathize with the mum because you're like that.

Thoughts and prayers.

FictionalCharacter · 03/08/2023 20:37

Really? Have you read the OP carefully, plus the updates, and you still don't understand why it isn't OK?
And you see it as just "time together" that the OP should welcome?

Confusedby1 · 03/08/2023 20:34

TakingTheLowRoad · 03/08/2023 19:51

I’m not really bothered about the posters who think I’m the bad one - I know I’m not. There isn’t enough time to explain all the things she has done to me and over the past 20+ years I’ve repressed it as she’s very clever at making me think that how she behaves is not that bad - and then will do a grand gesture that makes it difficult to be outwardly cross but it’s all deliberate. But at the moment all I remember is all the horrible things she has done including deliberately standing on my wedding dress on my way to the church. Every time I tell myself to get over it - I keep thinking about another time she’s disregarded me as a person. I really think this trip has open the flood gates and I don’t want to repress my feelings anymore

Is this really because she stood on your wedding dress... seriously...

Let me guess, the world is out to get you...

Do people not realise parents are human too and make mistakes... just ciz you have kids doesn't mean you get it right. Mine certainly didn't but its how you act as an adult and don't repeat the same mistakes.

Just move on. Clearly you are both no good for each other. Either have it out with her like an adult or ask her to book elsewhere to stay for the remainder.

Confusedby1 · 03/08/2023 20:29

Silvers11 · 03/08/2023 19:32

Oh for Goodness sake! You clearly haven't had to deal with someone who is so Toxic. Plenty of parents are NOT good ones. At All. Some are really unkind and don't actually care about their children, except as appendages to themselves

You should count yourself lucky that you (clearly) haven't been that unfortunate🙄🙄

Don't get me wrong, I know this, I just don't get why inviting herself along on the holiday to spend time together is such a bad thing?? I still don't understand the original post.. 🙄

laalaaland · 03/08/2023 20:24

I think a lot of people with more normal families genuinely don't get it. Friends of mine still encourage me to reconcile with my mum, seeming to have forgotten all the shit she's put me through. My life is SO much better without her. Well done OP for the fabulous grey rock tactic. Really hope you can continue to make the very best of your holiday - if only just to spite her!

FictionalCharacter · 03/08/2023 20:16

Honestly we could have MN bingo on this thread. We’ve had:

You don’t seem to like her very much
Maybe she just wants a better relationship with you, give her a chance etc
Well you’re not behaving very well either
You shouldn’t have agreed to pick her up (on repeat) - she didn’t!
Be Kind

Do people really not get it?

ifIwerenotanandroid · 03/08/2023 20:15

So many of you here need @HedgehogB 's response:

You’ve clearly never had a narcissistic relative. lucky you

If you don't understand this situation, say a word of thanks to the Fates & move on. Ns are like nothing else on this earth - buffoons who think they're the centre of the universe & nobody really exists except them, who warp everything & everyone around them in order to shore up their phoney self-image. They're both laughable & dangerous. They're pathetic & yet very, very wearing & unpleasant to be around. And once they've got you in their sights, for some imagined slight or for not doing exactly what they wanted you to (without you even knowing what that was), they won't give up or forget; they'll pursue their revenge - although sometimes, due to their bizarre view of the world, their 'revenge' is equally bizarre & laughable.

If you have no idea what I'm talking about, well, as I said above, thank your lucky stars & don't criticise those of us who HAVE experienced it.

FictionalCharacter · 03/08/2023 20:08

TakingTheLowRoad · 03/08/2023 19:44

I’m not really bothered about the posters who think I’m the bad one - I know I’m not. There isn’t enough time to explain all the things she has done to me and over the past 20+ years I’ve repressed it as she’s very clever at making me think that how she behaves is not that bad - and then will do a grand gesture that makes it difficult to be outwardly cross. But at the moment all I remember is all the horrible things she has done including deliberately standing on my wedding dress on my way to the church.

Let me guess, she pretended it was an accident, acted mortified and everyone comforted HER with all the “oh don’t worry Sheila, it was an accident, not your fault” which she then lapped up?

Sarahbumdaa · 03/08/2023 20:03

I'm so sorry this happened to you and im angry on your behalf. By any chance is the sibling your staying with the golden child. As if they are they won't see it from your point of view. I would leave there's no way I could stay. Sending you hugs

dapsnotplimsolls · 03/08/2023 20:01

How does your DC feel about her and what's she like with them? LC at the very least when you get home seems to be the ideal solution.

HopityHope · 03/08/2023 19:59

TakingTheLowRoad · 03/08/2023 19:04

I’m really looking forward to getting home and going no contact. She adds nothing to my life.

This is great OP!
Use this excitement and liberating feeling to enjoy this holiday knowing this will never happen again and you have reached the time where things have tipped over and NC/LC will feel glorious. You have the power back and will have a great time being able to blanket say no to everything now.

caringcarer · 03/08/2023 19:51

Marwoodsbigbreak · 02/08/2023 17:11

That’s shit.

All I can suggest is that you get up early and go out without her. Don’t tell her your plans, or tell her you are doing something she would hate. She likes shopping? You’re going horse riding.

This, get up early and go out alone with DC and avoid her. Don't tell her where you are going.

TakingTheLowRoad · 03/08/2023 19:51

I’m not really bothered about the posters who think I’m the bad one - I know I’m not. There isn’t enough time to explain all the things she has done to me and over the past 20+ years I’ve repressed it as she’s very clever at making me think that how she behaves is not that bad - and then will do a grand gesture that makes it difficult to be outwardly cross but it’s all deliberate. But at the moment all I remember is all the horrible things she has done including deliberately standing on my wedding dress on my way to the church. Every time I tell myself to get over it - I keep thinking about another time she’s disregarded me as a person. I really think this trip has open the flood gates and I don’t want to repress my feelings anymore

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itsmyp4rty · 03/08/2023 19:48

I'd say this is classic narcissist behaviour Op, right down to the fact that you feel like you're the one going mad and lots of other people think you're the one with the problem.
I believe you 100% as I have 25 years experience of living with a narcissist. They are complete and utter mind fucks and they fool almost everyone else.

PoppyTries · 03/08/2023 19:47

TakingTheLowRoad · 02/08/2023 21:07

I can’t control what other people tell her! Or the decisions she makes. I just wanted a break from reality for a little while and it is impossible with someone who hogs the conversation and makes everything about herself.

I’m so sorry this happened to you. I have a similar situation with a sibling who insists on involving herself whenever I make plans with any other family member. It’s a little petty, but I just ignore her when she starts complaining- I walk away, start a conversation with someone else, put in headphones, go somewhere else to read a book, etc. it annoys her to no end, but I don’t particularly care because she’s annoyed me by interrupting my visit.

TakingTheLowRoad · 03/08/2023 19:44

I’m not really bothered about the posters who think I’m the bad one - I know I’m not. There isn’t enough time to explain all the things she has done to me and over the past 20+ years I’ve repressed it as she’s very clever at making me think that how she behaves is not that bad - and then will do a grand gesture that makes it difficult to be outwardly cross. But at the moment all I remember is all the horrible things she has done including deliberately standing on my wedding dress on my way to the church.

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