Is jumping the same as diving?

I agree diving is very different from jumping - no diving is for the safety of the divers, where it's not deep enough to go head first.

OP has said kids are only allowed in 11-4, and there are separate lanes for 'serious' swimming, so I can't see a problem with kids jumping? So long as they check first, wait for the right moment, etc., I can't see the problem?

No diving tends to be a safety based rule. Jumping can be done more safely into shallower water.

Jumping is more of a social issue.

At many pools, adult/ lane sessions have a better provision than general sessions avaliable to children. Very sensitive individuals are better heading to these sessions (personally I like open water swimming which also eliminates splashy-man-front-crawl tidal waves)
Some swimmers are just curmudgeonly- I had issues with some at adult lessons when I was a teenager and they were just peeved that I progressed to doing lengths and moaned that I swam up and down the pool. The instructors did point out that their suggestion that I swim along the edge didn't work when they spent the majority of the time standing at the sides chatting.
At the general sessions I take my children to, I do make them look around before jumping and diving. It's a big pool and there's plenty of space avaliable.

At a smaller pool with just general opening, it is more awkward as there isn't the different levels of provision for different groups/ uses. TBH as a swimmer, I try avoid them as they're a bit messy for trying to focus on lengths and as a parent, they're hard going to pitch supervising children at the right level. Children shouldn't be displacing water over swimmers, but swimmers can't expect to remain totally unsplashed either.

I love swimming, but the worst thing about it is having to share a pool 😁

Your child was jumping in the family area, away from those doing lane swimming and not affecting them at all. Nothing unreasonable about that. Jumping in is many children's favourite part of swimming and as long as they are doing it safely without disturbing others, they should be allowed to continue.

If it is such a big issue for the man, he can choose to swim at times where children are not permitted or find an alternative pool where just adults are allowed

I think if it was during a time specifically for families then any adults should expect some annoyance from kids.

On the other hand, saying things like you've paid for your membership so your kids should be able to do what they want and screw everyone else is extremely entitled behaviour and everything that's wrong with today's society imo

Unreasonable, antisocial, entitled and selfish. Just quibbling because someone dared to say "no" to you.

Our pool has lane swim times, adult swim, female only swim and family swim.

My dc jump in from the side when it's family swim. They check the area they will land in is clear. Even at family swim there are lanes for slow, medium and fast.

Children get to enjoy their swim time too. Practising jumping in and climbing out is part of their swim badges - which we pay a fortune for them to earn in lessons at the same pool.

If people really have such a problem with children jumping in and playing then they should use one of the many sessions children are not permitted at.

Jumping in the pool is part of the Swim England program, as is climbing out the pool without using the ladders, collecting sinkies from the bottom of the pool, floating, gliding etc etc. Learning to swim isn't all about practicing breaststroke or back crawl. Some of it is even fun and splashy!

"and the adults swim their lengths in the larger area"
For some reason, I do not imagine many adults swimming lengths in a pool full of children, jumping or not. 😄

Those that do want to, will use it at other times.

Most adults at those times will be playing with their own children, or swimming leisurely (like children can too).
There are lots of things that can be done in a pool, for both adults and children, without involving jumping or diving.

Of course they aren't the same thing.

And if the pool has family sessions between 11-4 and it's the school holidays I'd expect there to be some jumping in!!!

If you want a head dry breastroke swim then you don't go these times when the kids are off school 🤦‍♀️

Yes, but this doesn't have to mean curbing the fun of the children while adults get to do what they like.

If there's a family area and it's a family swim session why can the children not play and the adults swim their lengths in the larger area? If the children then want to swim widths or practice their strokes they can head over.

Diving is banned because at an insufficient depth, someone could break their neck.

Jumping in is usually allowed (and, in fact, encouraged in most swimming lessons) because it is harmless fun and teaches valuable water skills.

Different things, but jumping and splashing other people is poor form.

But the same is true for the elderly people, it's very 'me me me' of them to prevent kids from playing in the family area during their permitted time. I think it's rude to dictate how other people should use a space based on your own preferences. If the elderly people wanted to swim in peace they should book in the swim lanes or at a time where children won't be permitted.

I know that I’m missing the point, but I truly wish people who use the term ”antisocial ” really knew what it means .

• diving and jumping are not the same
• old man‘s needs or wants no more a priority than your child‘s
• jumping within that part of the pool is obviously not prohibited.

Ex swimming teacher. Jumping and diving are different as you present a smaller point contact when diving (correctly), so you are more likely to go deeper. Hence limitation on diving depending on depth.

Jumping in is a great thing for kids to practice. Get.yoir child to jump with legs straddled and bring them together when they hit the water - essential lifesaving skills!

People are always hard on kids having a good time. If it's in the family time and your kids pay a membership then I'd say you were fine. If adults do not like it they can always go out with family time!

If there is a family area and kids are permitted at set times, I'd say you did nothing wrong. Kids jump in pools. Kids play around, splash and are noisy. If something is advertised as 'family' anything, you can almost guarantee that kids will be playing. It's just what they do.

If he chose to swim in a) an area for families and b) at times when kids are allowed in, then he's pretty daft to assume he'll be able to swim in peace.

I love swimming and only book in times when kids are not permitted for this very reason.

Wow, you sound charming.

Kids dive bombing the pool while elderly people are trying to swim is extremely rude and anti-social.

Just more of this me me me me who gives a fuck about others selfishness and entitlement that's so prevalent nowadays.

OP, why are you raising your children to think their wants should always come first, and that they should never show consideration to others?

Definitely different and I would have had the same reaction as you. As long as they are able to jump in without splashing others then they have every right to enjoy the pool within the family friendly times.

It is possible for children and adults to enjoy themselves together. It is not a bad idea for children to learn how to enjoy themselves around adults.

Ask yourself why they ban diving. Most of those will be the same reasons why jumping is the "same thing", even if they are technically different.
Splashing (jumping worse than diving).
The risk of hitting someone else using the pool.
People walking very close to the border also risk slipping up.

Lots of children jumping or diving into the pool becomes very noisy, and fairly unpleasant for the pool users, but can also pose a risk for the children.

I would suggest a place that caters specifically for children.

Any of the pools around here would consider no diving to mean no jumping. Its the impact of the velocity of the water movement as well as the depth of the pool issue.

How terrible and extraordinary that children want to enjoy themselves in the school holidays.

Why don't you suggest some adult only/lane swimming sessions and go then?

Did he jump into the lane swimming area? If so, that is really rude.

It's not the same thing, however I'd encourage your son to jump away from other people.

Speak to the staff and ask if there are any sessions scheduled as family swim or fun sessions. If there are not take them to the local leisure centre where there are such sessions and save yourself some money.