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Seaside3 · 31/07/2023 10:42

My oh has just lost his mum. There won't be much in terms of inheritance, a few thousand.

My oh has stated he would like to spend it on an instrument and I'm gutted.

He has many, many instruments. We have argued endlessly about his ibsession with them.

We have debt which is putting a strain on our relationship. Any money I receive I out straight to the family coffers and I can't believe this isn't his first thought.

Aibu to expect him to help the family finances? When my parents go I will inherit considerably more and we have talked about how we will use this money together, as a family. Do I get to keep all my inheritance if he keeps his?

I know it's an ugly topic, but I'm honestly boiling a little inside about this.

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T1Dmama · 07/08/2023 17:21

Wonderful update.

Seaside3 · 07/08/2023 16:17

@ihadamarveloustime I think the reality is he wanted the instrument, in an ideal world. In the real world he realised it wasn't the right thing to do.

He's annoying, and there are lots of things I could change, but he's definitely not a gold digger.

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ihadamarveloustime · 06/08/2023 18:33

I think it finally occurred to him that your inheritance stands to be considerably higher than his, and if he views 'his' as 'his' was horrified at the thought that you might do the same with yours.

billy1966 · 03/08/2023 19:46

So pleased to read this, and that you realise that you have tolerated far too much.

Get that debt cleared asap to give YOU a break from carrying the load.

It is positive news but I still beieve you have carried far too much alone.

I really hope you do realise that you deserve to be supported and not always the load carrier.

It is so easy to understand why women embrace being alone, when previously they always carried the weight of a selfish man child.

Do NOT be too grateful.

Be wary of that.

He is doing the bare minimum a decent man would do.

I really hope you get that.

The bare minimum.

Best of luck, you deserve the best.

Seaside3 · 03/08/2023 19:17

@CherryMaDeara I will be keeping a separate nest egg now. Even if I never need it, it will help make better decisions that aren't guided by lack of funds.

@HoneyIShrunkThePizza I'm hoping to.do this when everything is more settled. We need to improve our communication about finances. We are both aware and hopefully going forward things will improve.

@AllBlackEverything honestly, this discussion with total strangers has helped me realise a few things that are almost impossible to see when you're in it. I have some plans to become less of a People pleaser and put myself 1st more occasionally.

Thanks for all the advice from everyone.

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AllBlackEverything · 03/08/2023 14:21

Seaside3 · 03/08/2023 10:42

So, thanks to all the advice, I eventually brought up if oh had thought any more about what he wants to do with any money. It was a gentle chat, kept my feelings as neutral as possible and did not say he couldn't have instrument.

He has come.to the conclusion (for now) that it's better used towards.family finances. I think he knows, deep down, that there's always another instrument on his 'must have' list and if we pay towards the debt he's more likely to get one in future that isn't so.emotionally charged.

I suggested we find other ways, once debt is paid, to save for it. He has also listed a couple.of items.to sell towards the debt.

So, a breakthrough of sorts.

It has really made me consider things going forward and realise just how mUch I compromise.

Thanks all

Oh, that's such a great update! I honestly didn't expect that, given how emotionally charged things must be at this time following the loss of his mum. I'm really pleased for you though, it's good that there is some potential for growth & change here. Still worth bearing in mind the other issues moving forwards though, and would perhaps be a good idea to raise those issues in the not too distant future.

HoneyIShrunkThePizza · 03/08/2023 13:58

Great outcome! And perhaps you can start to talk about what you'll roll your monthly debt payments into when they no longer exist (perhaps you could put £x into savings and split the rest for more fun money...which he can save towards instruments...)

CherryMaDeara · 03/08/2023 10:51

Sense prevails at last!

Glad for you, OP.

But still keep that nest egg, especially if he continues to spend a lot.

Seaside3 · 03/08/2023 10:42

So, thanks to all the advice, I eventually brought up if oh had thought any more about what he wants to do with any money. It was a gentle chat, kept my feelings as neutral as possible and did not say he couldn't have instrument.

He has come.to the conclusion (for now) that it's better used towards.family finances. I think he knows, deep down, that there's always another instrument on his 'must have' list and if we pay towards the debt he's more likely to get one in future that isn't so.emotionally charged.

I suggested we find other ways, once debt is paid, to save for it. He has also listed a couple.of items.to sell towards the debt.

So, a breakthrough of sorts.

It has really made me consider things going forward and realise just how mUch I compromise.

Thanks all

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Seaside3 · 03/08/2023 10:36

@MadMadaMim thanks for spending so much time trying to steer my oribial post in your direction. If its all the same to you, I'm going to stick with the original post.

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MadMadaMim · 02/08/2023 22:32

Seaside3 · 31/07/2023 11:05

@Nagado we are married.

@AllBlackEverything he's been brought up as an only child and it shows.

@HeckyPeck agree with the idea that not everyone wants to use inheritance to pay down debt. I think my oh and i fundamentally different here. To me, the family and our relationship is 1st, so money management is high up the list. To him, it's about having something tangible.

@Seaside3 'and it shows' which clearly refers to your OH's inconsiderate plan for his inheritance.

Your OH being inconsiderate is not because he doesn't have siblings. It's due to how he was raised, maybe, but mostly it's because he chooses to be so.

MadMadaMim · 02/08/2023 22:27

Seaside3 · 02/08/2023 21:25

@MadMadaMim sorry it hit such a nerve. And bravo on raising an only child who is so kind etc. My husband is also kind, mostly. Sociable and loved by everyone who meets him.

I still stand by the idea that only children are raised differently than children with siblings. It's impossible for there not to be some bearing on how they behave, in both scenarios.

You will also note I didn't say either was better. Both only children, and those with siblings, have learnt behaviours. Your child, whilst being kind etc, is the only one in your house. Your child's best interests are the only thing that matter. When there are more children, they all learn that others best interests take precedent at times.

In my family there are only children. They have cousins and they definitely behave differently. Not because they are raised in the wrong way, but because they are not used to having to consider others.

We can discuss this all you like, and again, if you're offended I'm sorry. My post is not about only children though. It's about the behaviour of my oh

@Seaside3 you have not hit a nerve. I'm simply pointing out your unfounded prejudice, which you are incapable of recognising.

Your comments are far to generalised which stem from your skewed view.

I'm sorry that your extended family has raised inconsiderate children - this sint due to them being only children... it's a result of how they've been raised.

I can assure you that, if you choose to look beyond your world, there are just as many only children who have learnt consideration for others' needs and who are just as aware as children with siblings, that they live in a world with others who have their own needs and wants.

Your replies and detemination to be right really are showing you have a skewed view of only children and their capacity to have the same lessons and realisations as sibling children.

And if you're not going to be honest about what you meant by yiur flippant comment, then this discussion is pointless.

Your comment about your OH being raised as an only child was definitely meant as a not positive thing.

Again, not offended. Responding.

Seaside3 · 02/08/2023 21:25

@MadMadaMim sorry it hit such a nerve. And bravo on raising an only child who is so kind etc. My husband is also kind, mostly. Sociable and loved by everyone who meets him.

I still stand by the idea that only children are raised differently than children with siblings. It's impossible for there not to be some bearing on how they behave, in both scenarios.

You will also note I didn't say either was better. Both only children, and those with siblings, have learnt behaviours. Your child, whilst being kind etc, is the only one in your house. Your child's best interests are the only thing that matter. When there are more children, they all learn that others best interests take precedent at times.

In my family there are only children. They have cousins and they definitely behave differently. Not because they are raised in the wrong way, but because they are not used to having to consider others.

We can discuss this all you like, and again, if you're offended I'm sorry. My post is not about only children though. It's about the behaviour of my oh

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MadMadaMim · 02/08/2023 18:51

Seaside3 · 02/08/2023 11:25

@MadMadaMim that's fine. Do you not think how you're raised has a bearing on how you behave as an adult?

@Seaside3 your (erroneous) presumption /judging is aimed at the fact that he's an only child and NOT, as you say, 'how you're raised'.

That you cannot see this even when pointed out shows how ingrained your judgy, presumptuous thinking is!

Only children are not all raised the same way. Only children are no more/less selfish than children raised with siblings.

And to answer your question, yes, I absolutely believe that how you're raised usually has a bearing on how you behave as an adult. And FTR, I agreed with your initial post that YANBU and then didn't care after your throwaway comment.

Tired of hearing how 'selfish/socially awkward/self absorbed bla bla bla' only children are.

Parent of a well adjusted, kind, caring, empatheric, high achieving, sociable wonderful only child who, throughout their life so far, has had comments from peers, teachers, family, strangers and everyone in between to what a lovely person they are and what a credit they are to their parents. Nothing to actually do with being an only child - result of, as you say, how they were and continue to be, raised.

nalabae · 02/08/2023 15:21

He is being ridiculous

Tulpenkavalier · 02/08/2023 15:10

I'm late to the thread. My take is that if this was a good marriage where both partners generally agree on things and pull together, I would let this go. However, you said that...

i do know that if he puts this instrument 1st I will be another step closer to leaving

And your other posts make it clear that this relationship is not working for you; it's actually quite dysfunctional. A selfish man child who puts playing with his toys above his family's well-being.

I suspect your life would be a lot calmer without him.

(NB: if you decide to stay and your future inheritance becomes a real likelihood, I would urge to seek legal advice about ring fencing it. Or ask your parents to make direct provisions for your children, rather than leaving everything to you.)

SunRainStorm · 02/08/2023 14:52

T1Dmama · 02/08/2023 14:41

Ask him in a calm way..
“will any of your inheritance pay off some of our debt?”….
when he says no, oh ok…. Leave it half an hour and then start talking calmly about what YOU intend to spend your money on (inheritance)… make up any old crap and just say ‘I think when i inherit I might book a week snorkelling in the Bahamas with my best friend Janice… it’s something I’ve always wanted to do and think my inheritance would pay for me and Janice to do that!!! Then just leave it at that….. let him digest that!… if he asks if your inheritance is also his… I’d look at him and say ‘no, our inheritance is our own personal money isn’t it??”

Say it all in a non confrontational / drop into conversation way….. even better say ‘I’ll clear my half of the debt and then spend the rest on XYZ… but name things purely for yourself!

when you say you control finances does his wages go into an account you control? Or do you each have your own money and then pay a certain amount into a joint pot for household bills?

id be tempted to tell him he needs to put an extra £xx into the joint pot to clear the debt each month.

I think you need to revisit leaving.. it’s never a right time for kids (or so we think)… I stayed in a loveless marriage with a selfish man, eventually he left for selfish reasons and I couldn’t be happier… our daughter has since said ‘why didn’t you get rid of him years ago!’ He was similar to yours in that the household couldn’t afford things and then he’d buy himself an Apple Watch, a new iPhone or iPad etc! While you still have children living at home you’ll be entitled to more help too. With housing etc.
of course the value of his i arguments are also ‘joint assets’ the same as cars etc would be, so his collection value would give you potentially more of the house equity. Hoarding is a mental health condition and can worsen with bereavement… Would he except help with this aspect of his personality??

Or just have a frank and direct conversation about money with someone who is inherently quite selfish and oblivious and likely to miss all these passive aggressive hints and social cues?

They're married. They have joint debt. He is pissing away money and space on hoarding equipment for his hobby- OP has every right to openly discuss her concerns that she is being taken advantage of while he indulges himself.

T1Dmama · 02/08/2023 14:41

Ask him in a calm way..
“will any of your inheritance pay off some of our debt?”….
when he says no, oh ok…. Leave it half an hour and then start talking calmly about what YOU intend to spend your money on (inheritance)… make up any old crap and just say ‘I think when i inherit I might book a week snorkelling in the Bahamas with my best friend Janice… it’s something I’ve always wanted to do and think my inheritance would pay for me and Janice to do that!!! Then just leave it at that….. let him digest that!… if he asks if your inheritance is also his… I’d look at him and say ‘no, our inheritance is our own personal money isn’t it??”

Say it all in a non confrontational / drop into conversation way….. even better say ‘I’ll clear my half of the debt and then spend the rest on XYZ… but name things purely for yourself!

when you say you control finances does his wages go into an account you control? Or do you each have your own money and then pay a certain amount into a joint pot for household bills?

id be tempted to tell him he needs to put an extra £xx into the joint pot to clear the debt each month.

I think you need to revisit leaving.. it’s never a right time for kids (or so we think)… I stayed in a loveless marriage with a selfish man, eventually he left for selfish reasons and I couldn’t be happier… our daughter has since said ‘why didn’t you get rid of him years ago!’ He was similar to yours in that the household couldn’t afford things and then he’d buy himself an Apple Watch, a new iPhone or iPad etc! While you still have children living at home you’ll be entitled to more help too. With housing etc.
of course the value of his i arguments are also ‘joint assets’ the same as cars etc would be, so his collection value would give you potentially more of the house equity. Hoarding is a mental health condition and can worsen with bereavement… Would he except help with this aspect of his personality??

T1Dmama · 02/08/2023 13:40

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

But he doesn’t want to use part of the inheritance to buy himself a keepsake… he wants to spend it all on himself and allow his family to continue to struggle.
In this scenario OP has every right to withhold her inheritance later and say it’s 100% hers to spend as she wishes.
He can’t have it both ways!

T1Dmama · 02/08/2023 12:55

Tell him straight that when you inherit that he won’t see a penny a of it and instead it will go into a savings account purely for yourself! And stick to it!

he sounds VERY selfish and I couldn’t be with someone like that!

Seaside3 · 02/08/2023 12:48

Thank you @billy1966 I really appreciate iate your support. It is good to see the situation via someone else and you've cut through the noise.

I'm not derailed by the offended people. I didn't even say being brought up as an only child is bad. He was doted on, loved and spoilt by his parents. They gave him everything he wanted and he didn't have to share. He is not an only child though, and now he's having to work out how to deal with things with another sibling. (Raised in separate households).

I'm a 3rd child. It's likely what turned me into a people pleaser. We are all influenced, whether we like it or not, by our upbringing.

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billy1966 · 02/08/2023 12:02

OP, good woman.

You will get there.

It's NEVER too late to pull back and kick a user out.

Half the job is making the decision too.

Of course I understand thst it will take time with exam doing children.

Stop being nice.
Stop spending ANY money that benefits him.
Keep insisting he sell his stuff.
Be honest with your children.
Dad spends his money on instruments and I have to spend it on us.
Tell your children to ask their fatger for things.
Absolutely get advice, but have your own account set up for monies.

I think life will be far better without this loser.
Look up what you are entitled to.

Ignore the tedious posts from those that would derail your threads.

Thank goodness my friends that have only children don't go on with such drivel.

So off-putting.

Seaside3 · 02/08/2023 11:25

@MadMadaMim that's fine. Do you not think how you're raised has a bearing on how you behave as an adult?

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MadMadaMim · 02/08/2023 11:04

I got to
"he's been brought up as an only child, and it shows" and stopped reading.

You deserve each other

Seaside3 · 02/08/2023 08:57

@BrawnWild I'll check my stereotyping. Just not today.

@billy1966 you are right. There are many things I do every day to 'keep the peace'. I used to be fiery like you, but life long before him turned me into someone who just wanted a gentle life. I now feel ready to relight the fire, and put my life back at the top of priorities. It will take time though, we have a whole life to unpick and children who are exam years. I can wait to see them through this. I'd rather be in a better financial position myself before I do anything drastic.

@MargaretBall and @angelfacecuti75 thank you, I will look at the money boards. I use mse a lot, so I need to head back over there.again.

@HoneyIShrunkThePizza yes, married. I just meant some money to be able to take myself off for a week or so if I need to. If i decide I need to take a break when I announce ima.sailimg off into the sunset....

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