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Is this sexual assault?

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Sophie2525 · 30/07/2023 21:19

If a man drives a young girl to the middle of no where and says I’m going to leave you here unless you have sex with me, the girl is crying the whole time during him having sex with her?

this was me at 15, I could have ran away, he didn’t force me to stay in the car. However he knew I didn’t want to have intercourse and I cried the whole time. I was under the influence of alcohol and some drugs (I am ashamed to say this, I had a troubled home life, I’m not like this now). I was scared he was going to kill me if I didn’t do what he said, or to be left in the middle of no where with no phone or money so I just laid there.

Is this sexual assault or me just being stupid. It upsets me because I still feel sad and scared about it.

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Sophie2525 · 30/07/2023 22:37

I cannot report him as I don’t know anything about him, it was many years ago. He was a taxi driver, that’s all I know.

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LeftyLou · 30/07/2023 22:32

100% rape!

Lucinda7 · 30/07/2023 22:26

A man local to me did the same thing OP. He went to prison convicted of rape. I'm in the UK.

CornishTiger · 30/07/2023 22:26

Can I just say that you don’t have to report it. That’s something victims often explore as part of their counselling journey. Even the word victim can be an issue in accepting you were one.

There is support out there and I’m sorry your family were not supportive.

Do you still know the perpetrator?

Rummykitten · 30/07/2023 22:22

I’m so sorry to read this, OP.

The exact same thing happened to me when I was 23. I hadn’t slept with anybody before and he drove me to the middle of nowhere at night. I didn’t say no either but I was terrified. I did NOT consent and he would have known that. I had no idea where I was and I was terrified.

I finally had treatment ten years later (EMDR) and it was a huge help in coming to terms with what happened to me.

I hope that you are able to get support, too 💐

Ruffpuff · 30/07/2023 22:09

I work with the law.

I can tell you, without any doubt, that is rape. Sexual assault by law has a less severe sentence than rape. I’m very sorry to hear what you went through. You were raped.

Please don’t blame yourself in any kind of way. You were a scared young girl who was abused by a very cruel man. You may not have screamed or kicked, because you knew you may not survive if you did. That doesn’t mean you consented. If you stay silent because otherwise you think you’ll be left or killed, that is not consent. That is the opposite of consent.

Have you considered any kind of counselling? You may well be struggling with some form of PTSD after such a traumatic event.

Spinewars23 · 30/07/2023 22:08

Sophie2525 · 30/07/2023 21:44

I was suppose to say I COULD have potentially walked out of the car

No it’s a whole different fight and flight.

Lweji · 30/07/2023 22:05

Yes, and yes.
I didn’t need to read your post, just the title. If you have to ask, it means it wasn’t consensual.

Stompythedinosaur · 30/07/2023 22:05

Of course it's rape. He coerced you, by placing you in a situation something worse would happen if you did not submit to being raped.

Sex that isn't rape requires enthusiastic consent.

nocoolnamesleft · 30/07/2023 22:02

You were young. You were vulnerable. You were coerced. And coerced consent is no consent at all. I am so sorry, but yes, you were raped.

tommika · 30/07/2023 21:58

Sophie2525 · 30/07/2023 21:19

If a man drives a young girl to the middle of no where and says I’m going to leave you here unless you have sex with me, the girl is crying the whole time during him having sex with her?

this was me at 15, I could have ran away, he didn’t force me to stay in the car. However he knew I didn’t want to have intercourse and I cried the whole time. I was under the influence of alcohol and some drugs (I am ashamed to say this, I had a troubled home life, I’m not like this now). I was scared he was going to kill me if I didn’t do what he said, or to be left in the middle of no where with no phone or money so I just laid there.

Is this sexual assault or me just being stupid. It upsets me because I still feel sad and scared about it.

15 = too young to consent, therefore statutory rape

Under the influence = incapable of consenting

15, troubled home life, under the influence = vunerable person being exploited
Potentially groomed depending on the wider circumstances

Driven out with the choice of walking or sex = coercion and also the fear of whether or not you would really have been allowed to walk

You were a vunerable child, exploited and raped

The fact that you did not run or fight is nothing. Pure victim blaming
You were raped under duress

ThatshallotBaby · 30/07/2023 21:48

It’s not your guilt. It’s all his. It’s not your fault in any way. The shame? That’s not yours either, give it all to him, and try and focus on taking care of yourself and speaking to yourself kindly.
You did nothing wrong.

Sophie2525 · 30/07/2023 21:44

I was suppose to say I COULD have potentially walked out of the car

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Sophie2525 · 30/07/2023 21:43

I’m really sorry I didn’t mean to trigger anyone. I know what you’re saying, I think because I potentially walked out of the car and sat in the middle of no where instead of it happening, I feel guilty. I didn’t want to take the risk of him turning violent

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BounceyB · 30/07/2023 21:41

Yes, it was rape.

It's easy to blame yourself but I think being drunk is a very small part of it. I was assaulted at the age of 8. When I got to my teens I started drinking to get away from the fact I blamed myself. It didn't help because bring drunk left me more vulnerable. I was really promiscuous as a result. I had sex with men I didn't want to more times than I can remember. The next morning I always felt worse and blamed myself all over again.

It was only with counselling that I realised where the problem lay and the moment was like a light switch that was permanently on being switched off.

Sophie2525 · 30/07/2023 21:41

*how my family reacted

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Sophie2525 · 30/07/2023 21:40

Can I just thank you all, I’ve always felt like I was crazy and I was making it into a big deal in my head. I think his my family reacted, basically like it was nothing, made me feel like it was nothing, if that makes sense.

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whyisntanelephantblue · 30/07/2023 21:38

So if a woman doesn’t fight back or scream out it’s not rape. Wtaf? Of course it’s rape, maybe you should stop giving rape victims who don’t do anything a bad name

we didn’t want it as much as the next one
sincerely, a rape survivor

Coffeaddict · 30/07/2023 21:36

I'm pretty sure I was drugged my first time but what i remember is saying I don't want to but not fighting. I always thought you would fight off a rapist.

It took an amazing councillor ( after years of depression, anxiety and self medicating with alcohol) to see I was raped

Talk to your local rape crisis centre, they do amazing work and will be such a support to you

Pottyberry · 30/07/2023 21:34

Sorry to read this horrible story, yes he abused and raped you, when you were a child. You were vulnerable in a number of ways.

TW here, but frame it this way, would you drive a young boy who had been drinking to the middle of nowhere, and have sex with him while he cried? I would guess you would never dream of acting like this, because it's appalling, and criminal.

If I were you I would seek support now. I wish you recovery and peace x

Allinadayswork80 · 30/07/2023 21:32

I’m so sorry OP, what an awful experience and YES it was 100% rape and you should report it. Please seek professional help, it doesn’t matter your age now, you suffered an awful experience that was NOT your fault and you need help processing and moving past this - clearly it’s still affecting you now. I’m so sorry this happened to you and for the circumstances that must have led to it x

Sunshinemomma3 · 30/07/2023 21:32

I'm so sorry that this happened to you. By definition this was statutory rape.

Cinnamope · 30/07/2023 21:31

This was absolutely rape and I’m so sorry this happened to you.

ThatshallotBaby · 30/07/2023 21:30

I’m so so sorry this happened to you, it absolutely was not your fault, even if you were drunk. You are not making a big deal out of it, you must have been terrified. I hope you are ok now, and maybe feel that you can talk to someone about this and try to process what happened to you. Flowers

SlowlyLosing · 30/07/2023 21:28

I will just expand on my answer in case it helps you.

In hindsight I have been raped 5 times and sexually assaulted more times than I can remember. I've only just realised this, I was always horrendously drunk at the time and blamed myself for getting that way. Now I understand I was incapable of consenting (and was often near unconscious and even said no).

It is them who should be ashamed of themselves and I hope in these days of historical sex offenses they feel very uneasy.