Aliens???

"any life form is about passing on genetic material to next generation through reproduction. With that comes a need to firstly survive."

Humans sacrifice themselves for ideas, causes and concepts. They aren't just about survival or passing on their DNA. Many animals will sacrifice themselves as individuals for the collective. For example bees.

There's no reason aliens should be the same. There's no reason they should be different.

If you think that Googling the name of a Welsh town (the poster simply said Google Pentyrch) will mean you wind up on a list somewhere then you should probably seek help for your paranoia. 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/They%27re_Made_Out_of_Meat

I wouldn’t know where to start, but there is a YouTube interview which is very interesting. It’s a place just outside Cardiff I think.

Why doesn’t the Fermi Paradox account for the simulation argument?

Our planet is beautiful, ‘most’ are barren?

I still find it disappointing when they report that water has been found on Mars... Is that all I usually think

If there are trillions of planets out there, why would aliens travel to our little backwater.
I love the idea and find it fascinating, and enjoy astronomy, so much so that I joined a club and we used to have lectures, and star spotting sessione under dark skies. I bought a telescope and the close up view of the moon and planets, especially Saturn, is just incredible,mind blowing. We had a lecture one week from a top University professor, and he trashed the idea of visitors from other worlds.
He reckons the reason we are here is merely that we happen to be exactly the right distance from the Sun in creating ideal conditions for life.
Another reason he said was because if they were able to travel hundreds or thousands of light years to visit us, they would be so advanced that evolutionarily we would never meet!!. I can't quite get my head round that explanation. We once lay on a wall at midnight and watched the International Space Station pass over. Iwas a bit obsessed for a while 😍

Ok, it’s really not a big assumption

any life form is about passing on genetic material to next generation through reproduction. With that comes a need to firstly survive.

all the civilisation, culture, communication etc that would be needed to develop scientific discovery and engineering to warp through worm holes ( or whatever your theory is) only takes precedent once those basic needs can be net

this isn’t a leap or assumption of thinking. The universe can only be made from atoms - we know pretty much all the basic ones , they’re not up for conjecture from your vivid imagination- yep heavy elements still to be found but they’re not being found by us because their too stable . For life you need some reactive chemicals capable of long chain structure- that whittles it down to stuff that the universe is full off : carbon, silicon, nitrogen, sulphur, hydrogen, oxygen etc . Or are you in a world of pseudo science thinking elements can pop out of no where making bonds in ways electrons don’t on earth or our solar system, or our galaxy?

the very way life has to evolve means the basic premise of organisms remains. To reproduce and survive

the most likely common alien out there on the eco planets are single celled, maybe a few bacteria or virus like structures. Well yep, I’m theory they’d get through those teeny tiny worm holes Einstein postulated I suppose .

but hey Ho, if you want to imagine they’re all more like elves or fairies off you go

*Because anyone tracking your search history or if the name search tags a flag at eg NASA

Exactly. I was on a reddit thread which had a link which I just went through to another whistleblower giving very detailed explanations of various craft found over their career. I came off incase I may be tracked lol

Yes, this. @Appleofmyeye2023 is assuming that any aliens have the same thought processes, desires and motivation as humans. You're assuming they have the same self-preservation mechanisms as life on earth.

👏👏 @PToosher strikingly thought provoking post thank you

Nuclear weapons used in WW2 weren't missiles. They were bombs, and we didn't fire them, we unfortunately made a decision to drop them on a huge static target 78 years ago which is pretty much all our nuclear weapons are good for hitting even now unless you are into James Bond and believe submarines can fire them at each other.

We don't generally have tactical capability with nuclear weapons, although there has been some development of them - mostly abandoned. Maybe some of the ermergent nuclear powers have them. Conclusion is I think it is not a good idea for a number of reasons. I can think of some very good reasons why fitting a nuclear warhead on say an air to air missile is a really bad idea, including what happens to it if it fails to hit its target and who decides when it is to be fired.

Possible or we were created by other begins just like how humans can play god

Because anyone tracking your search history or if the name search tags a flag at eg Nsa

This would make sense. To me anyway.
We live in a universe where we’re more connected than humans can imagine.
If human activity is threatening the health of the planet, which may have an effect on our surroundings, groups of others set to be affected might have something to say about it.

There are so many accounts of UFO activity around nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons, by people who stand to lose a lot of credibility by speaking out.

Years ago I read a book by Sidney Sheldon called the doomsday conspiracy. At the back of the book there’s a very long list of ufo experts who met untimely deaths. It was published over 30 years ago. There are many more odd deaths that could be added to the list now.

I watched a review of the current hearing, and the consensus is that Grusch needs to be careful how evidence is presented because he’s paving the way for more whistleblowers to come forward. There’s also a view that we’re not working to our own timeline, but because we’ve broken an agreement (as above post) this is now out of our hands, and there’ll be a steady drip feed of information over the coming few months/years.

Whatever’s going on it’s an incredible time to be alive!

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. As a side note, Roswell was the base at which the nuclear armed Enola Gay was stationed.

True, though for completeness, it was only there briefly WW2...and if there's thoughts of a connection between Aliens, the A-bomb and specifically the Hiroshima raid then it's worth being aware that the aircraft only received the completed weapon (i.e. was only "nuclear armed") once it got to Tinian....

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@GasPanic When you say 'Yet in 70 years of having nuclear weapons we've never fired a nuclear missile at anyone in anger' are you just talking about the UK? Otherwise, I think the residents of Nagasaki and Hiroshima would beg to differ..

I think it's possible there's life out there but it's also very possible that our evolution was a 'once in a zillion' event caused by perfect conditions.

Yet in 70 years of having nuclear weapons we've never fired a nuclear missile at anyone in anger, much less an alien, and don't have anything remotely capable of engaging air targets that exhibit the behaviour that the tic tac did with a nuclear warhead. We probably couldn't even shoot one of our own jets down with a nuclear missile. All we'd end up doing is making a mess somewhere miles away.

I suspect NASA has done a fair bit of risk assessment on sending people back to the moon. I don't think anyone would call them arrogant or insensible.

I don't believe aliens would visit here for fun, although it is a possibility. Far more likely it's due to the fact they want real time information, or have some need to engage with us or some other aliens (if there is one group there is probably more) in person.

As for the supposed crashes and bodies, I don't think not believing in some of the ideas invalidates them all. The crashes of advanced technology might seem mysterious at first, but it depends why they crashed. Some of the crashes may be accidental. Some of them may be due to us. Some of them may be due to other alien groups engaging them. Maybe it's all a load of rubbish.

I have no idea what premium aliens might put on life. In general here we assume that they would value life like us quite highly, but that isn't necessarily so, they may not care so much about risk for a variety of reasons. That's one of the problem with thinking about aliens in human terms.

I've been interested in this subject for many years. Some comments:

It has been acknowledged by the US military, and others, that some of these UFOs appear to be structured craft due to their performance and observation by pilots etc. So using the word 'unidentified' for these objects doesn't mean 'could be anything'. In the 90s a top level French investigation into the matter concluded that Extra Terrestrial was the most likely origin of these craft.

These craft do not have any wings or other aerodynamic surfaces but can stop instantly, accelerate to extreme speeds instantly and can make 90 degree turns at high speed.

The performance exhibited is decades (at least) ahead of our science and technology. It has been so for at least 75 years. So, it's not the Russians or Chinese that have made a little breakthrough recently.

'They' are very interested in nuclear power and weapons, hence the disproportionate number of sightings around nuclear facilities. As a side note, Roswell was the base at which the nuclear armed Enola Gay was stationed.

David Grusch has first hand knowledge that there are projects relating to the investigation of this technology and has seen documents relating to this. He is not reporting purely hearsay. He was subject to retaliation actions when he attempted to bring to light these illegally funded projects and the Inspector General for Intelligence regards his testimony as compelling.

Grusch refers to the beings responsible for this technology as a Non-Human Intelligence. He does not use the word 'aliens'. He says that at least some of them are from 'higher dimensions'. If this is the case then the arguments about how long it would take aliens to traverse space are irrelevant. It would mean that our understanding of reality is extremely limited.

The alleged retrieved craft are not all crashes, some may have been 'shot down', some apparently abandoned or recovered from remote places on Earth where they have been parked in the past.

From a personal perspective, once you get to the stage of acknowledging that there are structured craft operating within our atmosphere that are way way beyond known current human science and technology the most likely source of these craft is from a Non-Human Intelligence.

There is a possibility that the US has AGI and has technology creating these UAPs and does not want China, Russia etc to find out and this has been leaked as a smokescreen.

“It’s completely naive to think that ours is the only planet with intelligent life.”

Who says ours does? 🤓

Lol

Because I'm not your personal assistant.