Aliens???

I think the sciences and the humanities have to converge and bring about a third overarching theory. We have physics and we have religion and biology. The only thing not proven is religion. But countless cultures have creation stories that largely align. Is there a third science that needs to be unveiled?

I think the existence of this congressional hearing acts as evidence against the existence of a super-powerful group acting to cover-up this stuff, tbh.

Why haven't they bumped off Grusch, or stopped the release of the videos or whatever? If they've had decades of practice of silencing people they've not done a very good job here.

Plenty of UFO experts have died under suspicious circumstances over many decades.

There’s no evidence if it’s all hidden away, until a few people have hearings under oath to share what they know.

I agree with Brian Cox that there is no evidence. I also, instinctively, believe that there are aliens.

@bloossomwood this is really interesting. Please can you recommend some podcasts that cover this?

I think modern science has come up with some incredibly successful theories that predict some things we see to a really high degree of precision

I agree, when you look at the last hundred years or do there has been an explosion in our knowledge and the discoveries at CERN and JWST, Hubble etc have been huge leaps forward. But like was mentioned a few pages back, dark matter and dark energy makes up the majority of the universe (according to our current theories) and we still haven’t really worked out what it is or how to detect it have we? And seeing as these are all parts of the building blocks of how gravity and mass and therefore (I guess) space time behaves, it’s probably fair to say we have a hugely incomplete understanding of how all this ties together still. That’s not to say we haven’t come a long way.

Unfortunately if you could "shield" mass from gravity or change the mass of something at will you could possibly also create energy for free which seems to be a big no no in our current understanding of the world.

This is something that’s discussed in conspiracy circles.
There are a number of people over many years who have declared they have discovered ways to produce free and clean energy, and all have disappeared along with their plans. Tesla was said to be one of them, all his papers were taken by the FBI. (Again, this is discussed in conspiracy circles, take from it what you will!).

Free energy would be a no no amongst world leaders who’s actions benefit the very wealthy above anyone else, so I can well believe that free energy would be blocked in favour of expensive energy that lines the pockets of billionaires.

Unfortunately if you could "shield" mass from gravity or change the mass of something at will you could possibly also create energy for free which seems to be a big no no in our current understanding of the world.

You can speculate on this sort of stuff endlessly.

I have a bit of an issue because there is a trope around where people say "we know nothing about the universe we are like ants". I don't think this is true at all. I think its often send by people wanting to gain comfort in their own ignorance by believing no one else knows anything either. I think modern science has come up with some incredibly successful theories that predict some things we see to a really high degree of precision.

OTOH there is still a lot we don't know and to say things aren't possible just because they don't fit in with our current theories is being quite closed mind IMO. I don't think our current theories are strong enough to completely rule out things like extra dimensions and faster than light travel because we are still struggling to understand some things about how the universe works. Some things may appear more improbable than others, but that doesn't mean they aren't possible.

Nope I've zero.level of compliance left. And I'm not scared of Aliens. What ever the government order me to do, I will be doing the opposite and take my chances.
Fake Aliens is not a genie they can put back in the box.

You're " controlled" already, they don't need fake aliens .

Or they’re talking about the fifth dimension that we can’t see? Perhaps they have broken through to our dimension?

Apparently the fifth dimension would be rolled up into a tiny, compact loop on the order of 10-33centimeters (that’s hypothetical as it’s not proven but a physics theory).

So ‘they’ could be co-existing here, right now, but on a different plane.

Sounds crazy though!!

Plus if you can manipulate gravity and mass completely perhaps black holes could be used in some way too. Maybe they’re gateways or portals….

Yes, you are right.

If you could make everything have zero mass, then maybe you could accelerate it to near light speed without the near infinite amount of energy necessary to do so. How you would do that I have no clue. We are still in a state in physics where understanding what mass at a microscopic level actually is is up for some debate.

Something I said about gravity and the ability to manipulate it not being helpful in traveling large distances maybe is not correct either. As you might know general relatively kind of describes the warping of time and space by mass, so maybe if you can control how much mass there is at a particular point in space then you could change the geometry of space in a similar way to curling the piece of paper the ant is on, so maybe there is some link being able to be able to change the amount of mass present at a particular point in space, the ability for objects to change velocity rapidly and intersteller travel.

I like the theory that higher beings can manipulate physical reality.

This is something we currently believe isn't possible, and accelerating up to light speeds or near to them would take a huge amount of energy

But isn’t that tied into our current understanding of inertia? The tic tac thing seems to be ignoring our current theories as it’s able to suddenly jump huge distances in seconds, that also requires a vast amount of energy as does moving at speed and instantly turning at 90 degrees. Like you say, the laws of physics as we know them should rip the craft apart but somehow they’re not applying there. If you take that to the extreme, maybe they have figured out a way to instantly and effortlessly achieve light speed?

And to me, if something is able to completely bypass our understanding of physics, there’s no reason to say they haven’t overcome our understanding of the limitations of light speed too.

And to those taking this all a bit too seriously, lighten up please. It’s just a bit of fun. And I got an A in my gcse physics mock don’t you know

Reality being an elaborate hologram is a possibility, and I believe many top physicists believe this could explain the universe.

Considering this into the mix it’s possible that higher dimensional beings don’t travel in ways that humans can imagine.

There's a lot of stuff I could say about that, and guess what, because it's Friday I'm going to !

You are right about the forces involved in objects changing velocity in that way. the g forces would be so huge any human inside would be squeezed into a nasty mess. However, one point I would make is that we don't know whether anyone was actually inside that particular "thing". It may be that if they are aliens they have two different types of vehicle, ones they actually travel in and ones they use as robot drones. The robot drones may behave in completely different ways that the ones that beings may travel in in terms of performance like changing position/direction etc. Still I agree in order for the robot drone to behave the way it does, it would still need to use some physics beyond our understanding.

I think re travel through space, it's a technical point, but an ability to manipulate or shield gravity would not actually help that much in interstellar travel. It might help us more easily get off the planet, and construct huge spaceships for long journeys, because it would make building things on earth and putting them into space much easier. But what it wouldn't do is enable us to close the distance gap to other stars in any way. The distance gap can't be closed by overcoming gravity (or at least as we understand it). It can only be closed in three ways.

One is to go very fast, either up to or over the speed of light. This is something we currently believe isn't possible, and accelerating up to light speeds or near to them would take a huge amount of energy - we'd also have to find a way of slowing down when we got there. Even then, the nearest planetary systems would be years to decades away.

The second way is to somehow reduce the distance, by say for example travelling through another dimension, again currently not thought possible. An easy way to imagine this is like an ant on a piece of paper. It lives in a 2D world, can only walk on the surface of the paper and the only way it can get from one edge of the paper to the other is to walk across it to get to the other edge. However in a 3D world, you can fold the paper into a U shape, give the ant a flick and it could fly across the gap, making the actual distance it moves a lot shorter. The ant would be clueless about how to do this of course because it only knows how to walk on the 2D surface of the paper!

The final way is to make the time it takes to travel the distance unimportant or irrelevant to the thing doing the travelling. This could be done via suspended animation (like in the Alien movies) or by making or having your lifetime very long, so a multi year journey becomes less significant in terms of your total lifespan. You'd still want a hell of a lot of box sets to watch on the journey though.

• mind blowing even!

@Lonelycrab David Grausch - the main guy answering under oath - said they have travelled from another dimension, so this implies they have not undertaken interstellar space travel.

It just sounds crazy to me- I can’t wrap my head around it. I also can’t believe that this is being said under oath, by a very credible person, with the support of US government institutions.

Very intriguing and mind being!

What I do know is that I have seen some pretty compelling video footage of things that are really hard to explain as a physicist

Exactly my thoughts. The footage of tic tac object, and it apparently doing 90 degree turns at speed and suddenly covering 60 miles in one second (!!) implies that whatever is controlling it has managed to bypass our rules of gravity and inertia and manipulate it completely.

If something is able to that, then I think our understanding of interstellar travel goes out the window, if one is able to manipulate or bypass gravity I’d have thought that opens up all sort of possibilities with travel to other stars or systems.

Shaun Ryder was right then ! 👽🛸

Paul Hellyer, former minister of defence of Canada, was very vocal about there being contact with non human life forms, and possible reasons why there’d been contact.
I’d assume that his position made him a credible source. Sadly he died a couple of years ago. It would have been interesting to hear his thoughts on the current hearings.

The witnesses seem credible
just watched a video of Obama talking about it and he says there’s definitely weird, unexplained stuff
brian cox doesn’t think it’s true
dh is laughing his head off and says Elvis works in our chippy

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I think there’s something in it

I think your mind is pretty closed and I'm not really sure what you hope to get out of the discussion.

Your points are ill thought out and easily refuted, and your comprehension skills need some improvement.

I can tell you what I do believe, and think I know and don't know.

I don't know whether there are aliens in contact with us, or whether they come and visit us in spacecraft or send robots. I don't know what their motivations would be if they are doing that. I don't see any convincing case as to why they would definitely not be motivated to visit us, would not find us interesting or could not visit us due to scientific limitations if they did exist. I don't know if they are visiting us in large numbers or not.

What I do know is that I have seen some pretty compelling video footage of things that are really hard to explain as a physicist. Not only that but there are a number of other people with more aeronautical knowledge that feel the same way.

I know three people, with reputations at risk have been willing to testify, under oath (and therefore at risk of action against them should they be proved to be lying) about these objects and what the nature of them might be. Two of those people talked about the inexplicable nature of these objects within the limits of our current scientific and engineering knowledge and the potential threat they pose to flying aircraft and national security. One person talked about the origin of these objects and where they may come from. I think the use of the words "non human origin" is interesting, because it also gives a get out, in the respect that natural phenomena would also fall under the definition of "non human origin". "Non human origin" is a much broader term than extra terrestrial.

In short, I don't know much. But there is clearly something unexplained going on here, and I am interested in the outcome.