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Is it really that hard.....? 🤔

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StillGotBabyBrain · 24/07/2023 23:23

My family is vegan, not a massive deal.

When the school has events, no vegan option, so everyone gets a bbq or food catered and we don't. Not even a dairy free alternative for hot drinks! (Primary school, high school is better).

When they go for sleepovers I get worried parents asking me what should they do, can I provide food and drinks for them...

Pubs and restaurants barely cater for adults let alone add options for the kids menu.

Went to a choir meeting the other week, nothing I could eat from the food included in my ticket price.

Am I being unreasonable thinking it's really not that difficult to provide bread and houmous or vegetable dishes? They're suitable for everyone, so isn't a waste of food! Blows my mind.

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Alargeoneplease89 · 25/07/2023 00:34

StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:29

I don't think you understood what I wrote. I wouldn't go to a Buddhist centre (who are mainly vege) and expect them to cater meat for me because I'm not Buddhist. I wouldn't expect someone to come into my vegan home and demand meat. Catering vegetables is not offensive to anyone.

What a ridiculous comment.

Seriously if you can't see the irony in your comments then what else is there to say.

#vegetablesarealivetoo

WannaBeRecluse · 25/07/2023 00:34

greenspaces4peace · 25/07/2023 00:32

it is, it really is a nightmare catering to vegan's: no honey no butter add in a few allergies and voila a ruined get together.

Yes, you can't tell my husband, in his own home, he can't have a splash of milk in his coffee, or my kids can't have butter on their toast if they want it (I don't buy that margarine stuff).

greenspaces4peace · 25/07/2023 00:32

it is, it really is a nightmare catering to vegan's: no honey no butter add in a few allergies and voila a ruined get together.

WannaBeRecluse · 25/07/2023 00:30

StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:29

I don't think you understood what I wrote. I wouldn't go to a Buddhist centre (who are mainly vege) and expect them to cater meat for me because I'm not Buddhist. I wouldn't expect someone to come into my vegan home and demand meat. Catering vegetables is not offensive to anyone.

What a ridiculous comment.

I've had vegans come into my home and insist no animal products even be seen, let alone consumed, while they are there. Former friends, that is.

WannaBeRecluse · 25/07/2023 00:29

justread · 25/07/2023 00:21

It's just sheer laziness, I find. People, like a PP said, cannot be arsed.

Actually, it is really really easy to prepare vegan food, like you say, it's just vegetables, but people are so programmed to add chicken stock cubes, or butter, milk or mayo to everything, to reconsider their ingredients becomes a drama. Therefore, vegans are PITA.

Hummus, bean salad, most breads, vege sticks, pasta, rice, chips, even jacket potatoes topped with baked beans are all simple enough. So many sandwich options... We eat a lot of vegetarian meals (the one thing I really miss in a vegan diet are eggs), and DH's family have a lot of severe dairy allergies, that we often skip that in cooking and people can just add cheese, butter etc to their meals, if they so wish.

Of course there are some ridiculous cookbooks/recipes out there which require all kinds of crazy expensive ingredients, (I usually pass them on) but 99% of the time, it's just simple, clean food.

Some of the things you're suggesting here take more prep than the stuff that is served to non-vegans at an event, typically. It would also cost a lot more to get things like bean salads and jacket stuffed potatoes if you buy them ready made or from a catering company (if time is the issue). Things like finger foods often come from the freezer at the supermarket (if basic and not catered) and the vegan freezer options to cost quite a bit more. So maybe have just one small platter for the vegans? Sure, but what happens when all the non-vegans have grabbed them? I'm not vegan but would tend towards the more vegetable type options.

StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:29

I don't think you understood what I wrote. I wouldn't go to a Buddhist centre (who are mainly vege) and expect them to cater meat for me because I'm not Buddhist. I wouldn't expect someone to come into my vegan home and demand meat. Catering vegetables is not offensive to anyone.

What a ridiculous comment.

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StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:24

I love you 😍

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Alargeoneplease89 · 25/07/2023 00:23

StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:15

Of course , meat eaters can eat veggie based dishes. We have an ethical belief. Would you expect other beliefs to provide food that goes against their belief, or just vegans? Eating meat is not a belief. It's just something you do.

I make sure that when kids are here they have something that I can make them, they will like.

That's not what I'm saying. You are moaning no one caters for you but you won't cater for them?

Some children may eat be restricted to non vegan items because of SEN etc. I always find it annoying when it's a one way street unless of course its an allergy.

I do prep for vegans in my life and they do the same because they realise that not everyone has the same beliefs (same as i would use halal / kosher though i dont agree with some slaughering methods) and they go for a much higher welfare meat product so they feel the animal has had a more fulfilling life.

justread · 25/07/2023 00:21

It's just sheer laziness, I find. People, like a PP said, cannot be arsed.

Actually, it is really really easy to prepare vegan food, like you say, it's just vegetables, but people are so programmed to add chicken stock cubes, or butter, milk or mayo to everything, to reconsider their ingredients becomes a drama. Therefore, vegans are PITA.

Hummus, bean salad, most breads, vege sticks, pasta, rice, chips, even jacket potatoes topped with baked beans are all simple enough. So many sandwich options... We eat a lot of vegetarian meals (the one thing I really miss in a vegan diet are eggs), and DH's family have a lot of severe dairy allergies, that we often skip that in cooking and people can just add cheese, butter etc to their meals, if they so wish.

Of course there are some ridiculous cookbooks/recipes out there which require all kinds of crazy expensive ingredients, (I usually pass them on) but 99% of the time, it's just simple, clean food.

StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:21

Yes I have, done lots of catering. Had a couple of cafes. Still sell cakes now.

I said above, pre vegan, I never left them out. Vegan dishes can often be made gluten free and so therefore cover most of the allergy issues with one dish. Eg dairy, egg, gluten free etc. 😋

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WannaBeRecluse · 25/07/2023 00:19

Dixiechickonhols · 25/07/2023 00:16

No exactly the buffet won’t be vegan friendly at all - butter in sandwiches and cakes but it’s type of easy diy catering found at lots of events and will be suitable for most people just not vegan or some allergies.

Exactly. I'm capable of cooking vegan cupcakes and other dishes but do I want to? It also costs a lot more in terms of money and time.

StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:18

That choir event was not a church choir and tickets were not cheap! They'd all made glorious dishes, done a fab job. Just not one suitable for me 🤣
We laughed at it, and someone found me a bag of crisps, whilst they were all eating loaded plates of food. I was only slightly jealous 😅

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Ilikegreenshoes · 25/07/2023 00:16

OP, I get that it must be frustrating, but have you ever tried to cater for a large group? By the time you factor in intolerances and other dietary restrictions, it can become quite costly and wasteful (eg a whole packet of gluten free rolls for one person to have one or two, the rest just go in the bin etc.)

It also can be just too much head space for the person organising, on top of everything else (especially if the veggie/vegan option has to be cooked separately, presented separately etc.)

Unfortunately having dietary restrictions is actually restrictive. And most people are going to prioritise health based needs like allergies over what is a personal preference in most cases (ie veganism.)

Dixiechickonhols · 25/07/2023 00:16

WannaBeRecluse · 25/07/2023 00:12

If there's seasoning on the crisps, it might not be vegan. Cupcakes are unlikely to be vegan. The sandwiches are fine but some vegans won't touch them if there's any risk the utensils used to prepare them are cross contaminated (like cutting the ham sandwiches before the vegans ones, with the same knife). Or if they might have been carried in the same box or be served on the same platter.

No exactly the buffet won’t be vegan friendly at all - butter in sandwiches and cakes but it’s type of easy diy catering found at lots of events and will be suitable for most people just not vegan or some allergies.

StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:15

Of course , meat eaters can eat veggie based dishes. We have an ethical belief. Would you expect other beliefs to provide food that goes against their belief, or just vegans? Eating meat is not a belief. It's just something you do.

I make sure that when kids are here they have something that I can make them, they will like.

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Dixiechickonhols · 25/07/2023 00:13

If it’s a simple swap and price wise same then I’d point it out eg can you get oreos (I think they are vegan) as I can have those not fox’s creams but issue is probably choir’s budget is value custard creams.

WannaBeRecluse · 25/07/2023 00:12

Dixiechickonhols · 25/07/2023 00:07

Vegetables need prep though. Plus storage issues eg might need fridge, can’t prep ahead or they go unappetising.
Often no or limited food prep areas. Busy volunteers.
So eg organiser orders platters of sandwiches one meat and one veggie, a bag of crisps and a platter of cupcakes. All they have to do is pick up from supermarket/M & S. Buffet will suit majority of people.

If there's seasoning on the crisps, it might not be vegan. Cupcakes are unlikely to be vegan. The sandwiches are fine but some vegans won't touch them if there's any risk the utensils used to prepare them are cross contaminated (like cutting the ham sandwiches before the vegans ones, with the same knife). Or if they might have been carried in the same box or be served on the same platter.

StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:09

I hear you and feel that with you. Just a shame. A real shame.

I tend to feed us before we go somewhere now, and opt out of food type situations where possible, unless it's somewhere I know we can eat.

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WannaBeRecluse · 25/07/2023 00:07

StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:03

It is not restrictive, that's a myth that people who cba use.

You've got to admit though, those little party pies are generally a cheaper option for something like a community group, and they are popular. I'd prefer the vegan option myself because I don't eat that pastry stuff, but it is more expensive, unless you have someone willing to cook from scratch. Maybe you could offer to do this for the group?

Latenightreader · 25/07/2023 00:07

I remember a vegetarian friend who used to get presented with a quiche Lorraine (contains meat) every single visit to her mother in law. We had long debates over whether this was passive aggressive or just unthinking ‘it’s quiche so must be vegetarian’, and were fairly sure the latter.

Dixiechickonhols · 25/07/2023 00:07

Vegetables need prep though. Plus storage issues eg might need fridge, can’t prep ahead or they go unappetising.
Often no or limited food prep areas. Busy volunteers.
So eg organiser orders platters of sandwiches one meat and one veggie, a bag of crisps and a platter of cupcakes. All they have to do is pick up from supermarket/M & S. Buffet will suit majority of people.

7Worfs · 25/07/2023 00:06

StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:03

It is not restrictive, that's a myth that people who cba use.

Exactly what I said - I find it too restrictive from my POV and I don’t want to make an effort.
I imagine this view is shared by lots of people, so it may provide you with the insight you seek - majority of people don’t want to know and cater to vegans.

Alargeoneplease89 · 25/07/2023 00:05

When they go for sleepovers I get worried parents asking me what should they do, can I provide food and drinks for them...

Do you provide for meat eaters when they sleepover,?

TBH it's the 21st century and I see vegan options everywhere . Just be glad it's not an allergy.

StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:03

7Worfs · 24/07/2023 23:55

What can I tell you, people just don’t want to deal with vegans. 🤷‍♀️ I’ll happily cater to vegetarians, but not vegans. Too restrictive and I just don’t care enough to make the effort. I also don’t use shitty UPF substitutes for animal products.

It is not restrictive, that's a myth that people who cba use.

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StillGotBabyBrain · 25/07/2023 00:01

Which I do most of the time.

I guess I just find it all a bit sad really, I would have never pre vegan, have left vegans out, I ways made sure they were catered for, it is not restrictive and with a little research, there's so much we can eat that everyone else would also enjoy!

It's the whole bloody mindedness of it at times. For reference, the PTA all know me and know we're vegan, the school themselves are not to bad, they make sure the kids are sorted, when baking they often do a vegan recipe as easier for lots of the kids with varying dietary requirements.

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