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PingPowKaPowWow · 23/07/2023 15:32

Stephen hawking says that if the polar ice caps melt (I think this means fully melt) then the resultant release of co2 would increase the climate to 250 degrees Celsius.

I am assuming this must be true. It was in his book, brief answers to the big questions, but the quote does not reference how this has been calculated, not what paper the fact is drawn from.

I had no idea that if the ice caps totally melt, the world would be entirely uninhabitable and basically dead. I feel like this needs to be more known about? It's the way he casually writes it.

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JazbayGrapes · 25/07/2023 10:13

*This hasn't come from any study.

The world doesn't need children. Not in the numbers currently being produced.

You're part of the problem. Your level of thinking is damaging the planet.

And yet here we are... on MUMSnet

isthesolution · 25/07/2023 10:03

No one is willing to make the big changes needed. And many people like to bury their heads in the sand and say ridiculous things like 'global warming isn't real' or 'well good id like it a bit warmer'. Partly they are uneducated and mostly the just don't want to accept that they personally need to change things in their own lives.

I'm at the point where I think we've already gone too far to bring it back. Teaching our children to make ethical and responsible choices is the best we can do to prolong it.

Although I don't agree with the disruptive protests like 'just stop oil' I think they have a really good point. Give it 25 years and people will say 'those people knew and no one listened'

Shoesonthefloor · 25/07/2023 09:55

I knew it was over 40 years ago, watching it in real time is just shocking and surreal

onefinemess · 25/07/2023 09:48

Daftasabroom · 25/07/2023 09:35

@onefinemess The solution to climate change is to STOP having children.

This is pretty egregious. The 2009 study this comes from assigns 1/2 of the lifetime emissions of a child to each of it's parents, 1/4 of the grandchildren etc etc, out until 2400. It also assumes absolutely no progress on reducing emissions over that time.

This kind of alarmist preaching is almost as dangerous as denial.

This hasn't come from any study.

The world doesn't need children. Not in the numbers currently being produced.

You're part of the problem. Your level of thinking is damaging the planet.

Daftasabroom · 25/07/2023 09:35

@onefinemess The solution to climate change is to STOP having children.

This is pretty egregious. The 2009 study this comes from assigns 1/2 of the lifetime emissions of a child to each of it's parents, 1/4 of the grandchildren etc etc, out until 2400. It also assumes absolutely no progress on reducing emissions over that time.

This kind of alarmist preaching is almost as dangerous as denial.

onefinemess · 25/07/2023 08:29

Stop worrying OP, the planet isn't in any danger what so ever.

When people talk about climate change they mean that we, the people, would be affected. The planet will just carry on, it's fine, it's survived a lot worse than we could throw at it.

The solution to climate change is to STOP having children. We need to accept that vast areas of the planet need to be depopulated, as in whole continents. Yes, this does mean that countries which currently exist, won't exist in the future. But a managed decline, planned and structured, would see these areas returned to nature. Imagine a planet where North and South America were a nature reserve. Where Africa, Australia and Asia were emptied of people, where the UK, Ireland, Channel Islands and even most of Europe was returned to nature.

As a species, humans could exist in small pockets of the most habitable areas around the world.

That's what needs to happen. But people arw too obsessed with having children to do anything about climate change.

The hypocrisy of JSO is embarrassing.

"I'm doing this for my children's future"

Listen love, if you have children, you have NO voice when it comes to climate change. There is nothing you can do that will mitigate the damage you have caused to the planet by your utterly selfish decision to have children.

Harpings · 25/07/2023 08:09

Gosh. This thread is terrifying I had no idea the temperature could potentially rise so much.

Missingmyusername · 23/07/2023 20:21

@Swrigh1234 I’d rather be “dim” than rude. But I don’t think you know what wine means, so I’ll leave you to it.

Bananasandcorn · 23/07/2023 19:56

@Swrigh1234 Do you even know what Woke actually means? Nope, didn't think so.

FYI woke/wokesters and climate change are not in anyway related.

Swrigh1234 · 23/07/2023 18:38

Missingmyusername · 23/07/2023 16:17

We are out of control. Our consumption is scary.

I’m at an all inclusive, mountains of food being wasted. Parents loading three year old kids plates with enough to feed an adult- if they don’t like it they just go and fill another plate. Same with drinks.

Plates filled with bread and salad for the table- like bloody ornaments.

Sheets, pool towels, washed daily.

How long have we got?
I’ll probably be dead, but I fear for my child’s future.

You are joking, right? Or maybe just tell us that you arrived at your all inclusive by private jet, just for good measure.

Sometimes you wonder if the wokesters are only hypocritical or just a bit dense.

Swrigh1234 · 23/07/2023 18:36

Mariposa26 · 23/07/2023 16:36

This!

You cannot make this shit up. These hysterical wokies have lost all sense of irony.

Swrigh1234 · 23/07/2023 18:35

These threads get more and more batshit hysterical each time. How do these people get through the day.

Daphnis156 · 23/07/2023 17:02

In all this doom, no one ever tells us what an average person in the UK can do about it- other than pay "green taxes" which those in charge would misuse and waste.
As for life in 200 years we just don't know.

Missingmyusername · 23/07/2023 16:55

I guarantee it’ll be my last all inc- it’s been an eye opener for sure. I hate the waste. I detest it.

Missingmyusername · 23/07/2023 16:53

@Mariposa26 what do you do to help then? Your here and you breathe and eat so 🙂shh😂

Missingmyusername · 23/07/2023 16:51

@Fallenangelofthenorth the irony is not lost. I‘m not a greedy bastard and I’m vegan if the at helps lol

Mariposa26 · 23/07/2023 16:36

Fallenangelofthenorth · 23/07/2023 16:24

So you're at an all inclusive, presumably abroad, and seem to be implying "other people" are out of control, but not you?

LOL at the hypocrisy 🤣

This!

PingPowKaPowWow · 23/07/2023 16:32

@Fallenangelofthenorth they thicken in arctic winter, and melt in arctic summer. however, the melting is worse every year (due to global warming) so the overall effect is one of much greater melt year on year.

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Fallenangelofthenorth · 23/07/2023 16:29

The ice caps are thickening though aren't they?

PingPowKaPowWow · 23/07/2023 16:29

@Fallenangelofthenorth

My thinking is that we need to look after our mental health, and more especially, the mental health of our children. They are going to need bucket loads of resilience, and adaptability, and stoicism to be able to cope mentally with what is ahead.

No judgement from me for going on holiday.

I would say, good to pp for going on holiday, and having their eyes opened, as that is a really important step on the road to personal accountability, and making a difference in our own sphere of influence.

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Fallenangelofthenorth · 23/07/2023 16:24

Missingmyusername · 23/07/2023 16:17

We are out of control. Our consumption is scary.

I’m at an all inclusive, mountains of food being wasted. Parents loading three year old kids plates with enough to feed an adult- if they don’t like it they just go and fill another plate. Same with drinks.

Plates filled with bread and salad for the table- like bloody ornaments.

Sheets, pool towels, washed daily.

How long have we got?
I’ll probably be dead, but I fear for my child’s future.

So you're at an all inclusive, presumably abroad, and seem to be implying "other people" are out of control, but not you?

LOL at the hypocrisy 🤣

PingPowKaPowWow · 23/07/2023 16:24

@Missingmyusername

You asked how long have we got.

I'm no scientist, but my thinking, based on reports taken from scientists at the "coalface" of the ice caps, and based upon the best and worst case projections of sea level rise, and timeframes, that have been published (but bear in mind there is no large consensus as far as I can see) I think that the ice caps could be melted in as soon as 200 years, so just a few generations before humanity, and the world as we know it (if hawking is correct re temperature) are done for.

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Grumpywasthebestcarebear · 23/07/2023 16:22

So, how long have we got left?

stbrandonsboat · 23/07/2023 16:21

Human beings, as a whole, don't have the capacity, intelligence or drive to do anything about the climate. Think of how many greedy, psychopathic morons are in positions of power and responsibility around the globe. Saving the planet isn't going to happen despite how many small pockets of improvements there are taking place. We're lemmings going over a cliff and we're being pushed over by the rich, greedy psychos who are in charge. And no, they don't care about their children or grandchildren, they just want to live in luxury, wield power, take drugs and fuck whilst they can.

Live day by day and try not to think about it. One of the psychopaths will probably drop the bomb before the world warms up too much more anyway.