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HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 06:46

We found a bat in our spare room today. We live in the US. It is currently triple bagged in our refrigerator waiting to be sent to the health authority for analysis for rabies. We won't know if the bat is rabid until Wednesday. We are terrified. We have no idea when or how it got in. We have 2 kids and I am 37 weeks pregnant.

Apparently rabies vaccinations can cost thousands of dollars which we really can't afford right now .

If you believe in the power of prayer please send one up for us. We are very very scared.

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HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 24/07/2023 16:58

I dropped off the bat at the health dept an hour ago. When I went to the desk they called back saying, 'the bat is here', so they were obviously waiting for it.

They took it very seriously, took down all my details and when/how we found the bat, the people and animals in our house and their vaccination status. Our dog is current on his rabies vaccine but our cats are not.

The man who took the bat assured me he would send it off urgently and we would hear by tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest.

I will update.

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HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 24/07/2023 16:55

@BiscuitBeast

Don't feel bad, I didn't know anything about rabies when I lived in the UK. I'm sure we are being overcautious but better to be safe than sorry!

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BiscuitBeast · 24/07/2023 16:42

BiscuitBeast · 23/07/2023 07:53

Erm, a prayers request is really OTT OP. Has anybody been bitten or scratched? If not, then please rest assured the risk of rabies infection is zero. Was it deceased when you found it? You handled it wearing gloves? Have you thought about how it gained entrance to your spare room - window left open?

Did you get photos of it?

Here in the UK there are local bat conservation groups you can call who are vaccinated and trained to handle/rescue/rehabilitate wild bats. I bet similar groups exist locally to you in the US.

Some incredibly informative information has come out of this post if you can sift through the nonsense. Apologies for my incorrect statement OP. All the best.

Emmamoo89 · 24/07/2023 15:01

Hope you get a negative result. Ignore the aholes x

GabriellaMontez · 24/07/2023 14:39

AxolotlOnions · 23/07/2023 21:01

If you find a dead one you send it in for testing, I've done it myself. You don't deliberately kill them! You had nothing to fear if you'd just stayed away, the bat was clearly in far more danger.

Nothing to fear. Unless it did have rabies. 🤔

oakleaffy · 24/07/2023 14:33

Good luck, @HuckleberryBlackcurrant
Hopefully a negative result for rabies.

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 24/07/2023 14:21

@Engineerbynature

Thank you so much. I am getting ready to take it to the health dept right now.

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QuestionableMouse · 24/07/2023 12:29

Porkchopexpress · 24/07/2023 12:14

Rabies can be airborne.

Yes. This is why it's advised not to shoot a rabid animal in the head because it can spread a mist of infected brain matter.

Rabies is the closest thing humans have to an actual zombie virus (and may even be where the myth started!)

Porkchopexpress · 24/07/2023 12:14

Aprilx · 23/07/2023 07:25

Why are you terrified? Rabies isn’t airborne.

Rabies can be airborne.

OCaptain · 24/07/2023 12:09

@Engineerbynature

This has to be one of the worst threads I have ever come across on MN, in terms of the shocking replies. The level of scientific and medical illiteracy on display by many is absolutely terrifying.

Completely agree with this. I'd add that there is an obstinate and proud quality to the illiteracy, too: the lack of knowledge is somehow a positive quality.

Sux2buthen · 24/07/2023 11:58

Just remembering the time I found a dying/ dead bat on a path and stroked itBlush
Then buried it when it died Blush
Won't be doing that again

oakleaffy · 24/07/2023 11:40

@Engineerbynature , Thank you for adding your experiences here.
It is embarrassing how utterly ''Head in the sand'' and irresponsible some on here are, wagging a finger at OP, saying her husband was wrong for killing it.

USA laws appear to exempt people from killing bats in this case.

'A bat may be removed or hunted if it is inside a building occupied by people &c'

Good luck, @HuckleberryBlackcurrant ..Thinking of you and your Family.

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PollyThePixie · 24/07/2023 11:20

Engineerbynature · 24/07/2023 08:00

I am a former member of the rabies testing team in a US state public health laboratory.

This has to be one of the worst threads I have ever come across on MN, in terms of the shocking replies. The level of scientific and medical illiteracy on display by many is absolutely terrifying.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention publish very clear guidance for this exact situation. Testing and prophylaxis (vaccination) should be done whenever exposure cannot be definitively ruled out, including when a bat is found in the home. The guidance states that in such instances the bat should be captured for testing.

OP, you have done everything exactly as you should. You are working with the local health department and following their guidance. Storing the bat as you have for testing is ideal, and will mean the lab is much more likely to be able to get a result.

Waiting for testing and results is a very stressful time for anyone who goes through this. I myself have also been through this process and had to receive post-exposure rabies vaccination.

I want to reassure you that the processes for testing and management of any required post-exposure prophylaxis are extremely rigorous and well-established. In the event of a positive or inconclusive result, the epidemiology team will work with you to identify exactly which members of your household should be vaccinated. They will also help you find vaccination services that will be in-network for your insurance. Your insurance will then very likely cover the majority of costs. The vaccination is 100% effective at preventing rabies when given in a timely fashion.

Ignore those suggesting that you should prioritize a bat over the lives of your entire family. Rabies is as serious a threat as it gets. You have absolutely done the right thing by taking it seriously. Anyone suggesting otherwise should be ashamed of themselves. It is a sad irony that people feel they can be so nonchalant about this horrific disease precisely because of the incredible success of modern public health management of the disease.

thank you for this. It’s much appreciated.

PollyThePixie · 24/07/2023 11:17

PinkButtercups · 24/07/2023 07:22

So your husband killed the bat but then he spent an hour looking for the bat that was apparently just sat in a field.

No OP you just killed the bat. That's sick.

I'm from the UK had have bats fly around nightly where we live. I certainly don't go round killing them.

Isn’t the Uk a rabies free country?

But then there is also this - I can remember it happening as I’m local to the area.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/nov/25/kirstyscott

Man dies from rabies after being bitten by bat

A man who contracted rabies after being bitten by a bat has died, a hospital spokesman said last night. It was the first case in Britain for 100 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/nov/25/kirstyscott

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 24/07/2023 10:12

Refrosty · 23/07/2023 23:10

I think there are slightly more than 1, but it's still essentially a 100% death disease (post symptoms) because the 'cure' wasn't successful for almost all cases where it had been used.

I didn't even even know about it until a Rabies awareness video popped up on YouTube. It's very sad that so many children die of it. I wish I hadn't seen some of those videos tbh because you are essentially watching dead people. It's vile but certainly made me aware. I'll be vaccinating myself and the family if I ever visit certain countries.

I'm amazed at the number of people who didn't know about rabies.

Like I said I can't remember what sparked my fear of it - on reflection it might have been my grandmother's story of a rabid puppy when my grandparents and DF lived in India - but I remember there being posters warning of the dangers in pet shops, newspapers expressing fears that the Channel Tunnel was going to lead to the reintroduction of rabies to the UK.

JMSA · 24/07/2023 08:59

Hope you and your family are ok, OP. Very best of luck for tomorrow's result and please keep us posted 🤞

Un7breakable · 24/07/2023 08:45

AxolotlOnions · 24/07/2023 06:14

Which is why you send in dead ones IF you find them dead. Once rabies symptoms appear it is 100% fatal, the symptoms usually appear in 2-10 days. How long do you think it takes to send a bat to a lab, them test it then send back the results? More than 2 days when I sent one in.

Typically symptoms appear 20 to 90 days after exposure. Although some have presented sooner and other much later. Testing in countries like the USA for rabies is done very quickly if being done because of a potential exposure, usually with results in less than 48hrs.
This is a lot different to the time frame in the UK for sending in bats that have been found dead as the UK testing is for surveillance not for post exposure so there's no need to rush it.

Un7breakable · 24/07/2023 08:39

@AxolotlOnions and others condemning the OP for killing the bat. The OP is in a rabies area not the UK. Bats are protected in the USA but the advice if you think you might have been exposed or it's in a sleeping area is to capture the bat for testing. The bat will have to be humanely put down to be tested, so in the end the bat dies. From the OPs description that the bat had not moved from where it was initially released chances are it was ill. No one is going to prosecute the OPs husband for killing a bat in this situation.

There is a version of rabies in bats in the UK called Lyssavirus, its not the same as classic rabies which is what the OP.is talking about. If a bat gets in your house here the advice is to release it if possible or capture it if not, if you think you've been bitten or scratched you still need to get medical attention, although the risk is a lot lower.

Cheesusisgrate · 24/07/2023 08:36

SlideandPolka · 24/07/2023 08:22

I mean, I don’t disagree (grew up in Ireland with an entire childhood of horrifying public health ads about the risk of rabies coming in via smuggled pet animals — anyone my age will remember the gruesome photos of the infected man foaming at the mouth and a dazed-looking golden cocker being lifted out of a car boot), but that’s what you are likely to get if you post on a site which is about 97% composed of people from a different country with a very different situation in relation to rabies (and bats, for that matter) about a US-specific problem, both in terms of public health guidelines about rabies AND about the disabling cost of vaccinations.

Best wishes, OP.

The issue is that even with explanation some still keep mumbling their own.
The inability to accept things are different in different places is slightly embarrassing.
Even countries with rabies present will each have somewhat different advice.

SlideandPolka · 24/07/2023 08:22

Engineerbynature · 24/07/2023 08:00

I am a former member of the rabies testing team in a US state public health laboratory.

This has to be one of the worst threads I have ever come across on MN, in terms of the shocking replies. The level of scientific and medical illiteracy on display by many is absolutely terrifying.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention publish very clear guidance for this exact situation. Testing and prophylaxis (vaccination) should be done whenever exposure cannot be definitively ruled out, including when a bat is found in the home. The guidance states that in such instances the bat should be captured for testing.

OP, you have done everything exactly as you should. You are working with the local health department and following their guidance. Storing the bat as you have for testing is ideal, and will mean the lab is much more likely to be able to get a result.

Waiting for testing and results is a very stressful time for anyone who goes through this. I myself have also been through this process and had to receive post-exposure rabies vaccination.

I want to reassure you that the processes for testing and management of any required post-exposure prophylaxis are extremely rigorous and well-established. In the event of a positive or inconclusive result, the epidemiology team will work with you to identify exactly which members of your household should be vaccinated. They will also help you find vaccination services that will be in-network for your insurance. Your insurance will then very likely cover the majority of costs. The vaccination is 100% effective at preventing rabies when given in a timely fashion.

Ignore those suggesting that you should prioritize a bat over the lives of your entire family. Rabies is as serious a threat as it gets. You have absolutely done the right thing by taking it seriously. Anyone suggesting otherwise should be ashamed of themselves. It is a sad irony that people feel they can be so nonchalant about this horrific disease precisely because of the incredible success of modern public health management of the disease.

I mean, I don’t disagree (grew up in Ireland with an entire childhood of horrifying public health ads about the risk of rabies coming in via smuggled pet animals — anyone my age will remember the gruesome photos of the infected man foaming at the mouth and a dazed-looking golden cocker being lifted out of a car boot), but that’s what you are likely to get if you post on a site which is about 97% composed of people from a different country with a very different situation in relation to rabies (and bats, for that matter) about a US-specific problem, both in terms of public health guidelines about rabies AND about the disabling cost of vaccinations.

Best wishes, OP.

Engineerbynature · 24/07/2023 08:00

I am a former member of the rabies testing team in a US state public health laboratory.

This has to be one of the worst threads I have ever come across on MN, in terms of the shocking replies. The level of scientific and medical illiteracy on display by many is absolutely terrifying.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention publish very clear guidance for this exact situation. Testing and prophylaxis (vaccination) should be done whenever exposure cannot be definitively ruled out, including when a bat is found in the home. The guidance states that in such instances the bat should be captured for testing.

OP, you have done everything exactly as you should. You are working with the local health department and following their guidance. Storing the bat as you have for testing is ideal, and will mean the lab is much more likely to be able to get a result.

Waiting for testing and results is a very stressful time for anyone who goes through this. I myself have also been through this process and had to receive post-exposure rabies vaccination.

I want to reassure you that the processes for testing and management of any required post-exposure prophylaxis are extremely rigorous and well-established. In the event of a positive or inconclusive result, the epidemiology team will work with you to identify exactly which members of your household should be vaccinated. They will also help you find vaccination services that will be in-network for your insurance. Your insurance will then very likely cover the majority of costs. The vaccination is 100% effective at preventing rabies when given in a timely fashion.

Ignore those suggesting that you should prioritize a bat over the lives of your entire family. Rabies is as serious a threat as it gets. You have absolutely done the right thing by taking it seriously. Anyone suggesting otherwise should be ashamed of themselves. It is a sad irony that people feel they can be so nonchalant about this horrific disease precisely because of the incredible success of modern public health management of the disease.

CDC - Bats - Rabies

Bats can transmit rabies. Human and animal contact with bats should be minimized or avoided. If a person is bitten by a bat; the bat should be collected for testing. Postexposure prophylaxis may be recommended.

https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/exposure/animals/bats.html

oakleaffy · 24/07/2023 07:49

Edit :Bat not bet

oakleaffy · 24/07/2023 07:49

ThisIsACoolUserName · 24/07/2023 07:35

I haven't said there is something I don't understand or comprehend. I've said I see no justification. Quite different.

If a bat has been in rooms where people are sleeping {OP's children} the bet needed trapping for testing as she has no way of knowing if her young sleeping children were bitten or not.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/02/480414566/bats-in-the-bedroom-can-spread-rabies-without-an-obvious-bite

Bats In The Bedroom Can Spread Rabies Without An Obvious Bite

When a Wyoming woman fell ill, no one suspected that she could have rabies from a bat in her bedroom. Health officials say sleeping in a room with a bat is a rabies risk because bites are hard to see.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/02/480414566/bats-in-the-bedroom-can-spread-rabies-without-an-obvious-bite

ThisIsACoolUserName · 24/07/2023 07:35

Ostryga · 24/07/2023 07:24

How do you not understand? What is difficult to comprehend?

Honestly the intellect level on MN nowadays is shocking.

I haven't said there is something I don't understand or comprehend. I've said I see no justification. Quite different.