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HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 06:46

We found a bat in our spare room today. We live in the US. It is currently triple bagged in our refrigerator waiting to be sent to the health authority for analysis for rabies. We won't know if the bat is rabid until Wednesday. We are terrified. We have no idea when or how it got in. We have 2 kids and I am 37 weeks pregnant.

Apparently rabies vaccinations can cost thousands of dollars which we really can't afford right now .

If you believe in the power of prayer please send one up for us. We are very very scared.

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fku · 24/07/2023 23:07

@SaltyCrisps go and do some research before commenting. Op has sought and followed official advice.

Swrigh1234 · 24/07/2023 23:06

JudgeAnderson · 24/07/2023 07:10

@Swrigh1234 As I've said I grew up in a country with both a prevalence of rabies and bats.
Bats are indigenous wildlife and rescue organisations there take great pains to treat injured ones.
They, unlike the OP and you, are not hysterical and ill informed. The irony of you calling me stupid is hilarious.

Just give up making a fool of yourself. There is an expert on this thread proving you are wrong. Read it.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 24/07/2023 23:01

SaltyCrisps · 24/07/2023 22:55

If it flew away it wouldn’t be tested for rabies

Right, but the family could have been tested for rabies if they are concerned.

That’s not how it works

SaltyCrisps · 24/07/2023 22:55

If it flew away it wouldn’t be tested for rabies

Right, but the family could have been tested for rabies if they are concerned.

StefanosHill · 24/07/2023 22:53

SaltyCrisps · 24/07/2023 22:51

Why on earth did your husband kill it? You could have shut the door and opened the window until it flew out, which it would probably have done that night.

I can't feel any sympathy for your anxiety when I hear about how you unnecessarily killed this little creature.

If it flew away it wouldn’t be tested for rabies

SaltyCrisps · 24/07/2023 22:51

Why on earth did your husband kill it? You could have shut the door and opened the window until it flew out, which it would probably have done that night.

I can't feel any sympathy for your anxiety when I hear about how you unnecessarily killed this little creature.

Grumpy101 · 24/07/2023 22:31

Wow how scary, fingers crossed the results come back negative for rabies

Fernticket · 24/07/2023 21:33

All those posters that are having a go at the OP and saying she is overreacting should do some research! I grew up in the 70s and there were some cases in the news of people smuggling animals into the UK from Europe ( some countries there had a problem with rabies at the time). There were several really frightening documentaries/public service adverts shown with graphic pictures of people dying from it. Even some of the popular medical and police dramas had episodes about it. It scared me shitless and still does.
Even in the UK there is a tiny risk from bats. We had one in our building at work and the Bat Conservation Trust warned us to be careful and not to touch it with bare hands. The advice on getting vaccinated if one is found in a bedroom and you have been asleep is the same in the UK as in the States.
OP, thinking of you and praying all goes well
On the positive side the new vaccines are really effective.
OP
Please let us know how you get on.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 24/07/2023 21:12

saltinesandcoffeecups · 24/07/2023 21:07

Really interesting article about the only known survivor of rabies. If you google her name you’ll get a lot more of the background. But to date she’s the only known survivor to be cured. This article is more of a follow up, but it does give some of the background.

https://www.nbc26.com/news/local-news/jeanna-giese-16-years-later-surviving-rabies-to-build-a-beautiful-life

This one is a more detailed article on her treatment and recovery. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/jeanna-giese-rabies-survivor/

Medical Mystery: Only One Person Has Survived Rabies without Vaccine--But How?

ScientificAmerican.com talks with the first known survivor of rabies four years later

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/jeanna-giese-rabies-survivor/

saltinesandcoffeecups · 24/07/2023 21:07

Really interesting article about the only known survivor of rabies. If you google her name you’ll get a lot more of the background. But to date she’s the only known survivor to be cured. This article is more of a follow up, but it does give some of the background.

https://www.nbc26.com/news/local-news/jeanna-giese-16-years-later-surviving-rabies-to-build-a-beautiful-life

Jeanna Giese 16-years later: Surviving rabies to build a beautiful life

https://www.nbc26.com/news/local-news/jeanna-giese-16-years-later-surviving-rabies-to-build-a-beautiful-life

LizzieW1969 · 24/07/2023 19:55

PrincessFiorimonde · 24/07/2023 19:18

I've learned a lot from this thread.

OP, I hope you get good news tomorrow/Wednesday.

Yes me too. I had no idea that you could be bitten by a bat without realising it or that you should assume you’ve been bitten if you find that a bat has been in your bedroom overnight whilst you were asleep.

I confess that I thought the OP and her DH had overreacted initially, as she didn’t say that anyone had definitely been bitten. (I did know that bats could transmit rabies, though.)

oakleaffy · 24/07/2023 19:55

QuiltedHippo · 23/07/2023 22:26

This thread is fascinating, I had no idea how awful rabies was. Obviously you know its bad but 100% death rate is terrifying. We are very lucky in the UK. I hope those results come quickly OP

We are lucky...So far.

However many UK vets are concerned about the smuggling of animals from parts of Europe especially.

DEFRA suspended dog imports last year from Eastern Europe because of ''Non compliance '' of rabies paperwork.

Puppies from Europe have turned up here far too young to have had rabies vaccines/titre tests, never mind the parasites they have that aren't known here.

It will be a tragedy to lose the current UK's ''rabies free'' status because of smuggling. Brucellosis has already been brought in.

At least NZ and Australia are red hot on Bio security.

fku · 24/07/2023 19:19

I'v got my fingers crossed for you op. I know how stressful it can be to wait for this type of result.

I also can't believe how many people are saying poor bat, ignore them. You did what you had to do for the health of yourself and your babies.

PrincessFiorimonde · 24/07/2023 19:18

I've learned a lot from this thread.

OP, I hope you get good news tomorrow/Wednesday.

NaturalNineties · 24/07/2023 18:14

The OP clearly knows about rabies. I am not sure how helpful it is to go into huge detail about the symptoms and progression of the illness. She would benefit from support and understanding rather than specifics of the disease surely.

Pallisers · 24/07/2023 18:11

Best of luck OP. Sorry you got some truly stupid replies - but at least some posters admitted they posted in ignorance and had no learned something.

DH saw a woman die of rabies years ago - in Massachusetts.

NaturalNineties · 24/07/2023 17:49

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 24/07/2023 17:37

@PinkButtercups

As I've explained, my husband threw the bat, alive, into the field. Our intention was to release it and not to kill it.

However, once I started researching, I decided to call the health dept and that's when they advised me to try and find the bat. My husband searched for it and found it basically where he had left it. I think it's unusual that it hadn't moved for close to an hour.

He decided to quickly kill it because a. He didn't want to risk it getting away and not being able to test it. B. He didn't want to take a chance of it biting him when he picked it up. C. Because the health dept were going to have to kill it anyway. D. Because we had to keep a hold of the bat from Sat evening til Monday morning, and it felt cruel/not reasonable to keep it in a box in 38°C weather, and not sensible to bring it into our house. E. We were worried about it dying in the meantime.

He hit it quickly with a shovel and it was dead immediately. We hope to never have to do this again. We would never have killed it if we had seen it enter and leave our house with the full knowledge no one had been bitten, or of course if it never entered our house.

I am past the point of caring about the bat honestly. I'm more concerned with the health and wellbeing of my family and pet.

You don’t need to give that bat a second thought. It’s an animal with a risk of making your family really unwell.

Honestly I would stop replying to people harping on about that potentially rabid bat. Just tell them to read the thread.

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 24/07/2023 17:38

@Cheesusisgrate

I do feel bad I don't have the cats vaccinated. I will be in contact with our vet no matter the outcome, as our cats are out doors 100% of the time.

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HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 24/07/2023 17:37

@PinkButtercups

As I've explained, my husband threw the bat, alive, into the field. Our intention was to release it and not to kill it.

However, once I started researching, I decided to call the health dept and that's when they advised me to try and find the bat. My husband searched for it and found it basically where he had left it. I think it's unusual that it hadn't moved for close to an hour.

He decided to quickly kill it because a. He didn't want to risk it getting away and not being able to test it. B. He didn't want to take a chance of it biting him when he picked it up. C. Because the health dept were going to have to kill it anyway. D. Because we had to keep a hold of the bat from Sat evening til Monday morning, and it felt cruel/not reasonable to keep it in a box in 38°C weather, and not sensible to bring it into our house. E. We were worried about it dying in the meantime.

He hit it quickly with a shovel and it was dead immediately. We hope to never have to do this again. We would never have killed it if we had seen it enter and leave our house with the full knowledge no one had been bitten, or of course if it never entered our house.

I am past the point of caring about the bat honestly. I'm more concerned with the health and wellbeing of my family and pet.

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NaturalNineties · 24/07/2023 17:23

This thread has made me embarrassed to be from the UK.

I know about rabies the illness but little about the spread and bat populations. I think that’s ok; we don’t have rabies here. But then for people to be educated and still be dismissive and rude is unacceptable.

Of course a bat’s life is not worth more than those of OP and her kids. Is this where ‘batshit crazy’ comes from?

NaturalNineties · 24/07/2023 17:20

PinkButtercups · 24/07/2023 07:22

So your husband killed the bat but then he spent an hour looking for the bat that was apparently just sat in a field.

No OP you just killed the bat. That's sick.

I'm from the UK had have bats fly around nightly where we live. I certainly don't go round killing them.

How many of those UK bats have rabies do you think?

NaturalNineties · 24/07/2023 17:19

JudgeAnderson · 24/07/2023 06:18

You found a bat and instead of helping it outside you killed it?!

You are cruel ridiculous people.

No. If you are capable of reading, you will see that you are being cruel and ridiculous.

NaturalNineties · 24/07/2023 17:17

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/07/2023 23:05

You seriously need to calm down, unless it bit anyone (which presumably you would have mentioned).

In the UK, you would be committing an offence by handling it. Putting it in 3 plastic bags and in the fridge seems a tad excessive (mean).

Some people on this site are really stupid. Her second sentence said she was in the US.

NaturalNineties · 24/07/2023 17:08

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 15:04

For everyone saying I'm ridiculous. The bat was very much alive when I found it. My husband killed it before we bagged it up. If I had seen the bat fly in and caught it right away I wouldn't be worried. The reason we are worried is because we have no idea when it got into our house. A few days ago our kids left the door open for an extended period of time in the evening so it could have been in our house since then.

The bat was in a bedroom next to where our children sleep and the door was open.

There have been people who have been bitten by a bat and not even known because the mark is so small. This bat was very tiny.

I guess it's not something that is on a lot of your radar screens, being in the UK, but it is very much a risk here. We have to keep our dogs and cats vaccinated against rabies, and we live in a rural area where we do see a lot of raccoons and other animals that may carry rabies.

I think if our health authority told us to send off the bat first thing Monday morning then they don't see us as overreacting. In fact, that is exactly what you are supposed to do. The lady that we spoke to was very concerned that my husband had initially thrown the bat away. He spent an hour looking for it in the field. It hadn't moved. That is a sign of a sick bat, or so the woman on the phone told us.

When I called her back to tell her we had found it, I could hear her relief over the phone.

Do some research and try and put yourself in our shoes. Rabies kills almost 100% of those who show symptoms.

For those asking about us getting the vaccinations, apparently they can be obscenely expensive if the bat comes back non rabid. We spent a long time on the phone with various clinics/hospitals and no one could give us any indication of exactly how much this would cost. Of course, this happening on the weekend means that we can't get a hold of billing at our hospital, or our insurance.

Maybe people think I'm being dramatic. I'm sure I am. Only 3 or so people die from rabies in the US each year. But it's not something we are wanting to take a chance on. We have three children to think about.

Good luck OP. That sounds terrifying. Hope you have some online or real
life support more locally. Most of us UK posters can offer kindness but no real experience or advice. Thinking of you.

Remember, the stats are on your side x

Cheesusisgrate · 24/07/2023 17:07

Interestingly I can't remember getting ourcats vaccones in cwntral europe. Dogs, yeas. I think in ours main risk were foxes. We had signs in woods if there were confiemes rabies so kept dogs on leash.
Or when hogs had babies