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HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 06:46

We found a bat in our spare room today. We live in the US. It is currently triple bagged in our refrigerator waiting to be sent to the health authority for analysis for rabies. We won't know if the bat is rabid until Wednesday. We are terrified. We have no idea when or how it got in. We have 2 kids and I am 37 weeks pregnant.

Apparently rabies vaccinations can cost thousands of dollars which we really can't afford right now .

If you believe in the power of prayer please send one up for us. We are very very scared.

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HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 25/07/2023 14:33

Thank you everyone who has been so kind. I am hoping we hear something by this afternoon.

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Fernticket · 25/07/2023 12:31

mummymeister · 25/07/2023 11:28

I love bats, I love beavers, fish, donkeys, sheep all animals. But I love humans more. You are 100% not over reacting. If you catch rabies you are dead. no medical person is going to ride in on a white charger and save you. you are dead. I live in the UK. setting aside allergies, there are very few animals that are going to kill me. I dont have to be careful when out walking in fields and by streams. I dont have to worry about snakes and spiders in my house in the same way others in the world do. we just have no comprehension what this fear and worry is like. you are doing the right thing. fingers crossed for a good outcome for you.

This. In spades

Growlybear83 · 25/07/2023 12:09

Some of the posts on here make me very embarrassed to be British. I know we are very fortunate to live in a rabies free country, but how can anyone have got to adulthood with so little understanding of what a horrendous disease rabies is, and with no understanding of how it can be spread?

I do hope the test result is negative, OP, and you can stop worrying.

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 25/07/2023 12:04

OP, you did entirely the right thing for where you are. Please don't feel you have to defend your actions. Not doing what you did would have been too big a gamble.

Please update us when you get the results.

oakleaffy · 25/07/2023 11:43

mummymeister · 25/07/2023 11:28

I love bats, I love beavers, fish, donkeys, sheep all animals. But I love humans more. You are 100% not over reacting. If you catch rabies you are dead. no medical person is going to ride in on a white charger and save you. you are dead. I live in the UK. setting aside allergies, there are very few animals that are going to kill me. I dont have to be careful when out walking in fields and by streams. I dont have to worry about snakes and spiders in my house in the same way others in the world do. we just have no comprehension what this fear and worry is like. you are doing the right thing. fingers crossed for a good outcome for you.

This is probably part of the issue with the posters at the back who are commenting about the sweet cutee little batty~ watty.
UK is as far as flora and fauna go, about as 'Tame' as it gets.

I was shocked years ago when an Australian killed ''Browns'' {Snakes} when they were around her farmhouse.
I had no idea how venomous they were, and she was protecting her working dogs.
Australia is about as ''Hardcore gnarly'' as it gets with reptiles and animals one has to be careful of.

They don't have rabies, but they have lyssavirus {Lyssa= Rage}
An Australian boy was scratched by a bat in a ''Children's club'' area-
Hospital weren't sure what was wrong, initially.

The little boy{Below} didn't think to tell his Mum about the bat scratch {Bat randomly approached him to scratch}- but he told his sister.

Neither thought to tell their parents.

Lyssavirus is preventable IF treated before symptoms begin.

EXTRA MINUTES | 'Australian Rabies' | Reporter Discussion

60 Minutes reporter Liz Hayes discuses the 'Australian Rabies' story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97VAXUlVaLQ

mummymeister · 25/07/2023 11:28

I love bats, I love beavers, fish, donkeys, sheep all animals. But I love humans more. You are 100% not over reacting. If you catch rabies you are dead. no medical person is going to ride in on a white charger and save you. you are dead. I live in the UK. setting aside allergies, there are very few animals that are going to kill me. I dont have to be careful when out walking in fields and by streams. I dont have to worry about snakes and spiders in my house in the same way others in the world do. we just have no comprehension what this fear and worry is like. you are doing the right thing. fingers crossed for a good outcome for you.

PollyThePixie · 25/07/2023 11:21

Greenmoons · 25/07/2023 09:50

I don’t know why some posters can’t get their heads around this being in the US and not the UK. And rabies being a real thing! I was in a country with a high risk of rabies once and a very cute stray kitten pawed my foot. It didn’t break the skin luckily but I was pretty terrified, regardless of how cute it was. I imagine how scared you must be op especially when it involves your family and the unknown. Hopefully the results will be back today.

I live in a country where cases of Rabies have been recorded. Mostly among the Bedouin in the Desert. Recently though I was scratched by a stray kitten I was trying to catch in order to have it spayed and vaccinated against rabies (amongst other things) before releasing it again to the wild. I had to have a tetanus jab, a course of antibiotics and I was only 10 minutes away from having the rabies protocol when the center for disease control decided my scratch didn’t warrant the protocol - they could tell by the scratch despite scratches being mentioned in the literature. I had an ok kind of scratch. It was scary. Very scary. As for the kitten - well we went on to have the most wonderful 12 months together before she died from a very sudden illness. One minute she was there. The next she was gone. She was 14 months old.

Mukey · 25/07/2023 10:31

I think people (in this country) don't realise just how serious rabies is. There's no waiting and seeing if you get it. If you do, you're dead from the first symptom. I have an anti vax friend who travels a lot. I once asked her if she'd get her/her son a rabies vaccine if needed. She went off to Google. She then agreed that is one she would definitely get if there was even a chance of exposure. Even hard core antivaxxers understand the seriousness of it if they look into it. Rabies is not a virus to be messed with. You don't take chances. Ever.

ErmWhatever · 25/07/2023 10:22

Some of the replies on this thread are ridiculous. I'm surprised no one has suggested setting up a GoFundMe for the bats family yet.

Greenmoons · 25/07/2023 09:50

I don’t know why some posters can’t get their heads around this being in the US and not the UK. And rabies being a real thing! I was in a country with a high risk of rabies once and a very cute stray kitten pawed my foot. It didn’t break the skin luckily but I was pretty terrified, regardless of how cute it was. I imagine how scared you must be op especially when it involves your family and the unknown. Hopefully the results will be back today.

booksandbrooks · 25/07/2023 09:26

Good luck OP! You've done all the right things.

I still can't quite believe the number of 'I've seen bats they don't approach or attack' type comments. Clearly missed the point that rabid animals don't behave like healthy ones (amongst many other good points being ignored.)

OCaptain · 25/07/2023 08:06

I live in country where we have don't have rabies, but we do have Lyssavirus. Since 1996 - when Lyssavirus was identified in the country - all people diagnosed with Lyssavirus have died. A government-issued factsheet blandly states this about threatment options:

How is it treated?
There is no available treatment for rabies or ABLV once symptoms have started.

Oh.

You need to be vaccinated before exposure. Here, that's recommended for anyone who might work with or be in close contact with bats. I live in an area with high bat activity (they fly over every night and roost nearby during the day) but I'm not planning on handling them.

Un7breakable · 25/07/2023 07:20

Un7breakable · 25/07/2023 07:16

@Teapot13 General protocol is immunoglobulin and then 4 doses of the vaccine spread out over a few weeks to a month. It varies slightly on country and immunisation status. The immunoglobulin is the really expensive part and in the US the prices are jacked up. In the UK if you were paying cost I think the whole protocol is about £1000 but free on the NHS, in the USA it can be 10x that, and even with insurance you may have to pay the copay which could be a few 1000. Hopefully the OPs insurance won't be too bad.

More for general info than at @Teapot13 who clearly went through a different process.

Un7breakable · 25/07/2023 07:16

@Teapot13 General protocol is immunoglobulin and then 4 doses of the vaccine spread out over a few weeks to a month. It varies slightly on country and immunisation status. The immunoglobulin is the really expensive part and in the US the prices are jacked up. In the UK if you were paying cost I think the whole protocol is about £1000 but free on the NHS, in the USA it can be 10x that, and even with insurance you may have to pay the copay which could be a few 1000. Hopefully the OPs insurance won't be too bad.

Teapot13 · 25/07/2023 02:46

This is extremely worrying and I’m sorry this happened to you OP. I’m also sorry so many posters are so uninformed!

I think after a bite you wouldn’t get the vaccine but rather immunoglobulin, which is more involved. You can’t get that at Walgreens! It is done in hospital.

My toddler was bitten by a vaccinated dog a few years ago. (The wound was a puncture wound on her hand.) We took her to an outpatient clinic. I had to give the address of the dog’s owner. The dog had to be quarantined for 10 days and on the tenth day someone from the county went to physically examine the dog. Apparently if there are no rabies symptoms by then it’s safe to assume the dog would not have been contagious at the time of the bite.

Again, the dog had all its rabies vaccinations but no vaccine is 100% and there are literally no second chances with rabies.

I suppose I’m just telling this so people understand how seriously we have to take rabies in the States.

oakleaffy · 25/07/2023 01:24

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 25/07/2023 01:10

@strongcupofTea

Cute. If that was in the UK then it's entirely irrelevant to my situation.

The lack of comprehension of some posters is rather alarming, as the Rabies expert on here stated previously.

A sort of dozy 'Head in the clouds' bumbling where everything is cuteee and sweet..Wainbows and unicorns.

Heaven forfend if their children were in this situation..

xPeaceXx · 25/07/2023 01:20

I'm glad the health dept is taking it seriously, as that should help tune out the bat-loving gaslighters on this thread. I'm in Ireland, never seen a bat in my life, I don't think, but it's not hard to comprehend that what is a tiny risk in this part of the world is a really big risk elsewhere. The RIP poor bat comment is so silly. Ever eaten a chicken? Or a burger? Rip chicken 😐 rip cow.

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 25/07/2023 01:10

@strongcupofTea

Cute. If that was in the UK then it's entirely irrelevant to my situation.

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strongcupofTea · 25/07/2023 01:07

When we had a bat in our house it was sat in the hallway with our cat like 2 little mates. It was very cute. The same colour and the same face as our cat. We opened the front door and he didn't want to leave bless him. Eventually he fluttered away but it was a lovely having him as a guest for the evening.
Never occurred to me he might have rabies?.
Rip to the little guy in your fridge.

oakleaffy · 25/07/2023 00:53

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 25/07/2023 00:43

@LizzieW1969

The chance that we were bitten and didn't know it is very very small. But given the potential outcome it's not a risk we are willing to take- to just wait and see.

I started doubting that I wasn't overreacting as well. Until I went in to the health dept this morning and saw just how seriously they are taking it.

You will know soon, @HuckleberryBlackcurrant Rabies isn't something to gamble with, for those doubters and ''Bat huggers''.

When my friend was bitten in India, she had had pre-jabs before travel, but had to have other jabs after the bite- had to drive some distance to get to a hospital that had the correct vaccine- and have updates in UK where they said it was a two year wait to be 100% 'Safe' even with vaccines. {That was a surprise}.

A parent at DC's school years ago was also bitten randomly and unprovoked in Goa by a black dog on the beach that was caught after the bite and watched for ten days to see if it developed symptoms- Thankfully she didn't.

A local Goa person said it was a local bitch who had 'Smallpox'...but turned out to be ''Small pups''...Dog was released after no symptoms.

The parent too had the vaccines, but it was extremely stressful for both families.

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 25/07/2023 00:43

@LizzieW1969

The chance that we were bitten and didn't know it is very very small. But given the potential outcome it's not a risk we are willing to take- to just wait and see.

I started doubting that I wasn't overreacting as well. Until I went in to the health dept this morning and saw just how seriously they are taking it.

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HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 25/07/2023 00:40

@SaltyCrisps

The only way to be tested for rabies is after you are dead. So no, we won't be taking that route lol. You must be dense or lacking reading comprehension if by this point you don't understand why we killed the bat. 1 in 200 bats carry rabies. People can get bitten without knowing. Rabies is 100% fatal once symptoms starts. Not a chance we are willing to take and I'm sure you would make the same decision if it's a bat or the risk of your family's health.

If we get the vaccination without proof of a rabid animal encounter, we will be on the hook for potentially tens of thousands of dollars. So yes I chose to kill the bat rather than risk financial ruin. What a terrible person I must be.

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Festivemoose · 24/07/2023 23:25

SaltyCrisps · 24/07/2023 22:55

If it flew away it wouldn’t be tested for rabies

Right, but the family could have been tested for rabies if they are concerned.

You’re just embarrassing yourself now.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 24/07/2023 23:19

In case anyone is interested cough@SaltyCrisps cough

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Swrigh1234 · 24/07/2023 23:07

SaltyCrisps · 24/07/2023 22:51

Why on earth did your husband kill it? You could have shut the door and opened the window until it flew out, which it would probably have done that night.

I can't feel any sympathy for your anxiety when I hear about how you unnecessarily killed this little creature.

Do you struggle to read? Or are you on the wrong thread?