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Struggling with DIL

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SadMil · 16/07/2023 09:20

I have a beautiful 13 month old grand child. I’m struggling with DIL and her moods. I totally understand she may feel stressed and tired but when she and son do visit, she often doesn’t speak or is abrupt or rude.

I haven’t overstepped any boundaries, always show an interest in both her and the baby and have been nothing other than supportive.

She organised a birthday party last month and when DH & I arrived she completely ignored us, didn’t even say hello, actively dismissed.

I spoke with son and he said it’s nothing personal she was just in one of her moods.

my husband had made a personalised wooden gift which was engraved. We didn’t even receive a thank you.

Yesterday they popped in and I made a cup of tea on arrival (she always has a cup of tea). She responded with ‘oh you’ve made me tea’. Put it on the side and didn’t drink it.

I’m totally aware she made be depressed and (or) struggling with mental health issues- DS has mentioned she needs medication. It’s obviously none of my business and she clearly doesn’t want to talk about anything which I respect, but this situation is causing my husband and I to feel upset and frustrated.

This is our only grand child and she doesn’t want anything to do with us. It makes me so sad.

should I just stop initiating any contact for a while?

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Inkpotlover · 16/07/2023 17:37

SadMil · 16/07/2023 10:30

You may well be correct, who knows? What I do know is that her behaviour (whether she can help it or not) has had a really negative impact on both my husband and I. My husband struggles with social anxiety, it was a big effort for him at the party, we went around and said hello to everyone (obviously there were quite a few people we’d never met), he was very hurt that the gift wasn’t acknowledged (he’d spent hours engraving and and putting thought into it).
He doesn’t want anything to do with her now, but I’m aware this is potentially going to cause a real rift, especially as we’ve decided to no give them the money.
Why can’t people just be polite and respectful? I guess I’m old fashioned but but was brought up to treat people how you’d like or expect to be treated yourself.

What did your DH want? For your DIL to bring the party to a standstill and make everyone watch and listen while she elaborately thanked him and showed off the present? Why did the thanks have to come from her? You said in your OP she'd organised it, which implies she was busy, so why wasn't your son's thanks enough in the moment?

PrincessofWellies · 16/07/2023 17:37

SadMil · 16/07/2023 17:10

If old fashioned means having basic manners, yeah I guess you’re right.

Yep, I'm with you Op, it's basic manners.

BadNomad · 16/07/2023 17:37

Carpediemmakeitcount · 16/07/2023 17:34

What's your solution give her £50k and she doesn't like the op. Should she be a pushover?

Nope. It's fine to not give away money. But making it clear it is because of what the DIL did is inflammatory.

AutumnCrow · 16/07/2023 17:35

SadMil · 16/07/2023 17:22

Why do you think she feels patronised though?

Because she's 39 and you're 48.

It's possible that that small age difference could amplify the effect and the annoyance of her receiving what she perceives as even the slightest piece of unsolicited advice or comment.

Have you ever commented on things like feeding methods, weaning, naps, car seats? Anything at all?

Carpediemmakeitcount · 16/07/2023 17:34

BadNomad · 16/07/2023 17:32

Not you. Her. She's not a young girl. It makes no difference to her life whether you like her or not. It will affect you more though to make an enemy of her. She is your grandchild's mother. Your son has committed himself to her. How do you think this is going to play out?

What's your solution give her £50k and she doesn't like the op. Should she be a pushover?

User1789 · 16/07/2023 17:33

OP, I think the fact that you are talking about your DIL not 'getting a penny' of your money, belies how much you are making your DIL responsible for your the relationship you have with your son and grandson.

If you had framed the situation as you offering your son the money to help him finance the raising of your grandchild, you might have avoided this whole sorry mess.

Dweetfidilove · 16/07/2023 17:32

Anklespraying · 16/07/2023 15:43

It's all a bit academic now. Grandma's chucked her toys out of the pram and is off to spend money on solicitors to tie up their cash rather than give it too her son.

He's chosen a too old, too attractive, too ill woman to provide her with the appropriate standard of grandparent experience.

I'm pretty sure all the pointless engraved baby tat people hand over at christenings etc. gets buried deep in a cupboard somewhere.

It's been a handy talisman to use as an excuse for MILs disappointment with her sons choices.

I do believe the new family are going to be relieved this equity donation has gone away and all the drama with it. It's the last thing a bipolar sufferer needs, high drama grandparents. A phyric victory for OP. Nose and face comes to mind.

The couple are relieved, OP and husband can now rid themselves of the expectation of politeness- sounds like an excellent result all round!

Life is too short to lumber ourselves with people we can't be bothered with or have prejudices against.

BadNomad · 16/07/2023 17:32

SadMil · 16/07/2023 17:27

I’m not old (48). No one expects her to be a people pleaser, just basic courtesy will do just fine

Not you. Her. She's not a young girl. It makes no difference to her life whether you like her or not. It will affect you more though to make an enemy of her. She is your grandchild's mother. Your son has committed himself to her. How do you think this is going to play out?

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NotStayingIn · 16/07/2023 17:30

I think you've done the right thing. Why would you give someone who clearly doesn't particularly like you £50k. I wouldn't.

carduelis · 16/07/2023 17:29

FWIW, OP, I do understand why you were upset not to be thanked for the gift. If you give someone something handmade and then get the impression they don’t like it, you’re not just sad that you put time and love into making it, you also feel really silly for thinking they’d want something you had made. The comments here about handmade gifts not fitting the decor of their house etc strike me as really heartless.

That said - it’s your son you should be annoyed with for not thanking you for the gift itself later rather than just acknowledging that you had brought a gift at the time. I’m very big on thank-yous and I love handmade thoughtful gifts, and I wouldn’t write a thank you note to my in-laws - that’s my DH’s job (though I might nag him to write one, and I might well mention the gift next time I saw them).

Coffeetree · 16/07/2023 17:29

nonmerci99 · 16/07/2023 17:26

Relationships don't happen to you: they are two-sided. You need to look long and hard at what you've done, or said, that may have contributed to this relationship breakdown. You are not going to get any real advice here, because none of us know you or your DIL.

You seem to hold your DIL responsible for a lot, which is what I highlighted as being old-fashioned. Your son didn't write a thank you card either, but you haven't written a post tearing him apart for his lack of manners (which is curious, since you raised him, and manners seem very important to you).

It's very possible your DIL doesn't like you. She doesn't have to, and you don't have to like her either. Of course you also don't owe her and your son a housing deposit, but the way you went about offering and then taking this away was definitely on the petty side, and seemed to occur as a result of the MN pile-on you seem to be delighting in. It's all very childish behaviour from someone who is in her 50s/60s (guessing at your age here based on your son's age).

If you really want the relationship to improve, try looking inward. You don't need to be friends. You just need to tolerate each other for the sake of the baby. That means letting go of the things that seem to infuriate you (don't make tea, don't expect lots of thank yous, don't be offended if she would rather scroll on her phone than talk to you).

This is lovely.

That's what I was trying to say OP, but I was too busy being sarcastic.

SadMil · 16/07/2023 17:29

Coffeetree · 16/07/2023 17:27

See, I knew you had more examples.

But is a good one

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Led921900 · 16/07/2023 17:27

I wonder how her own mother and friends would describe DIL and then also the OP? We really don’t know her side.

Theft · 16/07/2023 17:27

Perhaps she doesn't like you.
Perhaps obviously you don't like her.
It's you who has most to loose and you who has to be the bigger person for that imo.
She holds all the cards, so just suck it up and do not put your so in an awkward position.

Coffeetree · 16/07/2023 17:27

SadMil · 16/07/2023 17:20

😂 this is priceless. What didn’t help was you’re not allowed to use mobile phones in the auditorium so she continued with a coat on her head. That’s probably perfectly normal behaviour as well though

See, I knew you had more examples.

SadMil · 16/07/2023 17:27

BadNomad · 16/07/2023 17:25

That's the thing about older wiser women, they don't feel as obligated to tolerate or put up with others they don't like. I don't think it matters much to your DIL if you like her or not. She's not some young people pleaser who feels like she needs to turn herself inside out for the approval of her in laws.

I’m not old (48). No one expects her to be a people pleaser, just basic courtesy will do just fine

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nonmerci99 · 16/07/2023 17:26

SadMil · 16/07/2023 17:21

I don’t think it’s me that needs to get the self awareness though - can you explain?

what do you think have I done that’s petty?

Relationships don't happen to you: they are two-sided. You need to look long and hard at what you've done, or said, that may have contributed to this relationship breakdown. You are not going to get any real advice here, because none of us know you or your DIL.

You seem to hold your DIL responsible for a lot, which is what I highlighted as being old-fashioned. Your son didn't write a thank you card either, but you haven't written a post tearing him apart for his lack of manners (which is curious, since you raised him, and manners seem very important to you).

It's very possible your DIL doesn't like you. She doesn't have to, and you don't have to like her either. Of course you also don't owe her and your son a housing deposit, but the way you went about offering and then taking this away was definitely on the petty side, and seemed to occur as a result of the MN pile-on you seem to be delighting in. It's all very childish behaviour from someone who is in her 50s/60s (guessing at your age here based on your son's age).

If you really want the relationship to improve, try looking inward. You don't need to be friends. You just need to tolerate each other for the sake of the baby. That means letting go of the things that seem to infuriate you (don't make tea, don't expect lots of thank yous, don't be offended if she would rather scroll on her phone than talk to you).

LuckyPeonies · 16/07/2023 17:25

DIL sounds like a very rude and unpleasant person. I would treat her exactly the way she treats me, and completely stop going out of my way for her.

BadNomad · 16/07/2023 17:25

That's the thing about older wiser women, they don't feel as obligated to tolerate or put up with others they don't like. I don't think it matters much to your DIL if you like her or not. She's not some young people pleaser who feels like she needs to turn herself inside out for the approval of her in laws.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 16/07/2023 17:23

Coffeetree · 16/07/2023 16:56

Well yes you chose to be mortally offended because she didn't drink tea. You're the one who mentioned it. It makes it sound like you're looking for reasons to get huffy.

This comment is shallow.

MzHz · 16/07/2023 17:22

There’s a thank you for receipt of a gift that you’ve not opened and a thank you for the gift once you’ve opened it.

the DIL did neither. The son acknowledged the first. Neither of them followed up with any kind of thanks afterward

the tea thing is out and out weird.
the total blanking at the party was unmistakably rude, and DS “isn’t allowed to discuss DIL feelings”

at least @SadMil has got her view across to him, hopefully it’ll sink in and they’ll find some manners somehow

Needsomeadvice33 · 16/07/2023 17:22

Hahahha you are so revealing in your latest posts. You are completely unable to take any accountability. "She won't be getting a penny" did she ask for your money lol look at you trying to control this women. You are looking at zero relationship with your DIL and grandchild and honestly that sounds like what you deserve.

Led921900 · 16/07/2023 17:22

Why didn’t your son… on unwrapping that lovely gift… get in touch and thank his father for it? Why does she have to? Are you angry with him about it? I will never understand why the mums are supposed to take this all on.

I think you’re cutting your nose off to spite your face. You don’t know how she views you or the relationship she has with you and then taking away a gift you promised is going to impact your son and grandchild and your relationship with them all.

It’s a shame she’s not a nicer DIL to you but without knowing you both we can’t really judge. But it’s a dangerous road getting angry about it because you risk no contact with your child and grandchild. Keep that in mind.

SadMil · 16/07/2023 17:22

AutumnCrow · 16/07/2023 17:20

Well, cups of tea aside, what's your gut feeling about it all now, OP? Because you're pretty much at shit or bust point here. Given you've nothing left to lose, you could push for a proper explanation, which you may not enjoy hearing but which might clear the air after a bit of a break, and you can all start again when the dust settles.

I'd take a punt that at 39, she feels a bit (a lot) patronised by you. And I don't think you mean to have that effect.

Why do you think she feels patronised though?

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