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WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 16:48

AIBU to be upset that my daughters teacher took off 5 marks from her exam total because she doodled on the back of the paper while waiting to be allowed to leave the exam. She would have got 96% without the deduction. See attached the offending doodle. Teachers comment was "minus 5 marks for graffiti at the back. I have told you many times its not on."

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Pieceofpurplesky · 06/07/2023 19:05

She's really not that arty OP.
Currently exam marking and any defaced or doodled on papers have to be flagged. Would you take the chance for your DD to fail an exam because you think she should be allowed?

WonderfulUsername · 06/07/2023 19:04

The OP posting the photo is still making me laugh.

It's like she's thinking "But I'm so prhaaad of little Lily-Mae cos it's art innnit?"

OLDERME · 06/07/2023 19:04

Deary me, you are still excusing her!

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 19:03

Over the years some teachers have turned a blind eye to her doodling while others have let her know its unacceptable. She has tried now, that she is getting older to rein in her arty side but I guess with the stress of all the exam revision it made her forget herself. Apparently she has drawn on her other exams so will be interesting to see how the other teachers will handle this.

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OLDERME · 06/07/2023 19:02

Changed days from my time at school. I wouldn't have dared show my parents that paper. I would have been in so much trouble for disrespecting the teacher, and letting them down. I would also have had my pocket money withdrawn. O.P. I think you need to get your act together pretty sharpish. Does she realize that she could have had her paper voided? The teacher was doing her a favour. Your child is copying your entitled attitude.

PaigeMatthews · 06/07/2023 19:02

Teachers comment was "minus 5 marks for graffiti at the back. I have told you many times its not on."
i mean, she knew not to do it. Why could she not stop herself from defacing the paper?

LondonPete · 06/07/2023 19:01

I'd have docked her 10%

Beargrumps22 · 06/07/2023 18:59

to deface an exam paper would not be something I would dream of doing. She had been told too and she should have been spending her time checking her paper not doodling. if she finished early maybe she had not have done the paper completely or to the bests of her ability

GoodChat · 06/07/2023 18:55

Disobedience, obvs

GoodChat · 06/07/2023 18:55

What's a reasonable punishment for prolonged, intentional obedience then, OP?

Jongleterre · 06/07/2023 18:54

It's always been the case not to deface an exam paper with scribbles or doodles.

Your daughter has no excuse as she has been specifically told not to do it.

She was lucky the paper wasn't marked VOID as I would have done.

cardibach · 06/07/2023 18:53

soundsys · 06/07/2023 17:08

Is your daughter neurodivergent? I only ask because I am and I absolutely couldn't sit still waiting for everyone else to finish an exam so the doodling would be the much less disruptive option!

In that case I’d suggest asking for scrap paper to doodle on.

Poppyblush · 06/07/2023 18:51

She was warned repeatedly. She didn’t give a toss. She’s paying the price. Suck it up.

SeeSawMarjorieDaw · 06/07/2023 18:51

When my DS1 was given a detention in Year 7 for forgetting his lab coat he was furious. I shrugged, signed the slip and passed it back to him. He didn’t forget again. Lesson learned.
Support the school, and use this opportunity to lead by showing respect. It will benefit her.

MumblesParty · 06/07/2023 18:51

britneyisfree · 06/07/2023 18:36

The teacher is a prick. Using her control against your child. So what if she doodles when she's bored? She's obviously bright if she got 96%. Can't see the problem.
I had a teacher like this. Silly cow.

Because she would lose marks on a GCSE exam, so it’s not a good habit to get in to.

It’s nothing to do with teachers trying to be controlling. It’s about educating pupils.
Have you been watching too many Pink Floyd videos?!!

MumblesParty · 06/07/2023 18:48

OP I think you’re being deliberately obtuse.

Your daughter has been told not to doodle. If she did that on an external exam she would lose marks for it, so whatever the teacher’s personal opinions may be, she has to train your daughter to stop doing it. The teacher has told your daughter this on several occasions, but evidently your daughter has taken no notice at all. So the teacher has to come up with another way of teaching your daughter not to doodle on test papers. Your daughter is obviously bright and hardworking, so the teacher has decided that deducting marks may have an impact.

What would you suggest, if you were the teacher? Because simply telling her not to do it hasn’t worked.

AuroraForever · 06/07/2023 18:43

What do you feel would have been an appropriate punishment then?

She doodled when told many times not to so had 5 marks deducted. I can’t see how else you’d reasonably punish that.

You're making a big deal out of nothing to be honest.

LanaDelReyGigChauffer · 06/07/2023 18:42

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 18:00

Yes, exam paper was returned after the teacher marked it.

I think you must mean test or practice papers then. Not an exam. But that's by-the-by really.

how old is DD?

she needs to learn (sharpish) that in life there are rules & they apply to everyone, yep including her.

if you are told to do/not do something like draw on the back of test papers then you don't bloody do it unless you want marks deducted. She might think it's a stupid rule, but it's a rule none the less.

YOU need to teach her to follow the rules if she's going to do well in external exams. Not support her whinging!

if she bright, it shouldn't be too difficult to follow no drawing on the back of papers.

IF she's ND she needs to see what she IS allowed to do once she's finished.preferably she needs to be taught to spend the time checking her work.

WonderfulUsername · 06/07/2023 18:41

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 18:38

When have I told her it's OK? I have told her that it is disrespectful to the teacher to doodle on her schoolwork including exam papers. but considering the effort she put in to learn I feel that deducting marks was perhaps not an appropriate punishment.

Tough shit though isn't it? Neither of you get to chose the consequence here.

If it makes her start doing as she's told then it's a win.

Spinet · 06/07/2023 18:40

I just feel that it's not a huge deal either way. She was told not to doodle - she doodled - she got told off/ penalised for doodling. Not even a huge penalty unless it dropped her below a qualifying mark for something (then that would be tight).

I understand her being upset but in my house that would be an 'oh dear, well you won't do it again will you'. Life is so much about following the brief. He has just taught her something she needs to know!

melj1213 · 06/07/2023 18:40

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 18:38

When have I told her it's OK? I have told her that it is disrespectful to the teacher to doodle on her schoolwork including exam papers. but considering the effort she put in to learn I feel that deducting marks was perhaps not an appropriate punishment.

But if it stops her from defacing exam papers in future where there are higher consequences than just losing 5% (such as in GCSEs when it can literally mean the difference between passing and failing if you mark the wrong parts of the paper) then surely it's the best kind of punishment?

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 18:38

When have I told her it's OK? I have told her that it is disrespectful to the teacher to doodle on her schoolwork including exam papers. but considering the effort she put in to learn I feel that deducting marks was perhaps not an appropriate punishment.

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britneyisfree · 06/07/2023 18:36

The teacher is a prick. Using her control against your child. So what if she doodles when she's bored? She's obviously bright if she got 96%. Can't see the problem.
I had a teacher like this. Silly cow.

RenoDakota · 06/07/2023 18:35

Oh ffs, yet another one of these threads.

OP: AIBU?

Everyone else: YES

OP: But, but ...

StopStartStop · 06/07/2023 18:33

I marked GCSE papers for a few years. We had to send on defaced papers to our team leaders and they eventually were addressed with the school and sometimes with the candidate. It wasn't treated as unimportant.