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WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 16:48

AIBU to be upset that my daughters teacher took off 5 marks from her exam total because she doodled on the back of the paper while waiting to be allowed to leave the exam. She would have got 96% without the deduction. See attached the offending doodle. Teachers comment was "minus 5 marks for graffiti at the back. I have told you many times its not on."

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Macaroni46 · 06/07/2023 21:06

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 20:44

I'm so happy to have found a kindred spirit, who appreciates that artistic expression cannot be constrained to a time and place.

When she was in year 1 her teacher proudly told us at parents evening that my dd kept defacing her current project and that every time she added another doodle the teacher would cut it away and that soon she may end up without any project to bring home..... I remember praying that future teachers would be more understanding.

This can't be for real.
🤣

willWillSmithsmith · 06/07/2023 21:03

I remember doing a doodle on an exam once (an owl). My teacher said something like ‘nice owl’ and that was it, no telling off, no marks deducted. To be fair though had they penalised me for it I wouldn’t have done it again.

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 21:00

Why so?

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Gerrataere · 06/07/2023 20:56

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 20:44

I'm so happy to have found a kindred spirit, who appreciates that artistic expression cannot be constrained to a time and place.

When she was in year 1 her teacher proudly told us at parents evening that my dd kept defacing her current project and that every time she added another doodle the teacher would cut it away and that soon she may end up without any project to bring home..... I remember praying that future teachers would be more understanding.

Ok. Well at least this post from the op puts to rest my suspicions about this whole thread, can stop wasting energy on it 🙂

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 20:56

The doodling has been an ongoing issue since her early years and of course while trying to encourage my daughter to appreciate that there is a time and place for her creativity or according to some of you the lack thereof. I have also tried to work with the staff to accommodate her.

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TheWalrusdidbeseech · 06/07/2023 20:52

Devonshiregal · 06/07/2023 20:25

This thread has stirred a lot of emotion in me because I was your daughter.l. I’m so glad to see you backing your daughter. Don’t even think about reigning in her arty side. She’s right there trying to free it. Get her art classes. Watch YouTube art lessons with her. Encourage doodling. Honestly institutional repression is just depressing and dampens all the wonder in the world. Fuck them. Her teacher should be finding a way to channel this passion but clearly your daughter doesn’t fit in their pigeon hole.

😂😂😂

The funniest thing is that you might actually be serious.

SayHi · 06/07/2023 20:51

YABU

Usually test papers with doodles on are thrown out and re-sat.
I think your DD got off lightly.

If they were to go for moderation it would be refused and so the teacher is putting these rules in place now so she doesn’t fail her important exams.

I would get DD to ask for a scrap piece of paper and she can doodle on this and not her exam paper.

chillin12 · 06/07/2023 20:50

GoodChat · 06/07/2023 20:48

@chillin12 but the teachers told her numerous times and she's continuing to do it.

Shes not going to learn from this whilst her mother is telling her she's done nothing wrong.

Yes, I agree with this. But I thought OP said that other teachers had allowed it, so it became a blurry line as to how serious it is. And I also believe daughter should now be taught it’s definitely not on.

mbosnz · 06/07/2023 20:50

My daughter was/is a doodler. Quite a gifted artist (okay, I'm biased, but her GCSE teacher and marks seem to agree with me.).

She got reprimanded for doodling in her exercise books, and her tests. Bit of a shock to the system, because that wouldn't have happened in NZ. Slipped up, teacher had told her once too often, and she was penalised. Them's the breaks. Actions, consequences.

I remember a fellow law student creating merry havoc, because they had written their test paper in pencil, and the lecturer marked it as zero, because he required them to be in pen.

Better they learn these lessons at GCSE level than university level.

GoodChat · 06/07/2023 20:48

@chillin12 but the teachers told her numerous times and she's continuing to do it.

Shes not going to learn from this whilst her mother is telling her she's done nothing wrong.

Gerrataere · 06/07/2023 20:47

Just seemed to sound very harsh for the mistake a child made

A mistake is something that happens once and you learn from. The op specifically states she was marked down because she had been told not to keep doing this and did it again regardless.

chillin12 · 06/07/2023 20:47

I do agree though, that the daughter should now be warned and firmly taught not to doodle when not allowed, and to follow instructions clearly.

chillin12 · 06/07/2023 20:45

Gerrataere · 06/07/2023 20:40

School is about more than just passing tests, it’s about showing your work in the best manner possible and a reflection of how serious you take a task given. All very important aspects of adult work that school is ultimately preparing you for.

’As the new mark isn’t a reflection of her ability on the test she worked hard for.’

The mark is reflective of a specific instruction give to the daughter as part of her test-taking that she had deliberately decided to ignore. Again. It was wholly part of her test not to doodle and she did it anyway.

I hate to lower myself to silly tit for tat about ‘jealousy’ over a child’s academic ability but I can assure you from my end at least, it’s not the case. I have one child who is very able academically, I’d absolutely back the teacher of it was him being deducted marks for the same reason.

I understand your viewpoint. I wasn’t talking about you specifically, but other replies I have read. Just seemed to sound very harsh for the mistake a child made, and bitter towards the OPs feelings, from the tone of responses.

tidalway · 06/07/2023 20:45

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WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 20:44

I'm so happy to have found a kindred spirit, who appreciates that artistic expression cannot be constrained to a time and place.

When she was in year 1 her teacher proudly told us at parents evening that my dd kept defacing her current project and that every time she added another doodle the teacher would cut it away and that soon she may end up without any project to bring home..... I remember praying that future teachers would be more understanding.

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greyhairnomore · 06/07/2023 20:43

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 18:13

Because in this day and age where kids get up to all sorts this hardly seems like the worse crime to do. She clearly has worked hard to get a good result and shouldn't be punished for being arty.

That's not being arty. It's being deliberately defiant.
We can't just do what we want in life unfortunately - sharp lesson.
Lucky it wasn't a GCSE or A level where she's potentially depends on marks.

Gerrataere · 06/07/2023 20:40

chillin12 · 06/07/2023 20:34

“Jealous,” maybe because their children aren’t scoring as well academically. Otherwise, why the need for such harsh and bitter replies as though OPs daughter committed a heinous crime, and “no one gives a shit about her marks,” etc. I don’t think the teacher is wrong to act this way, but it’s not unreasonable for the mother to feel upset about the deduction of marks. As the new mark isn’t a reflection of her ability on the test she worked hard for.

The daughter sounds like a child and the “doodling” sounds like a simple issue that she can learn from and hopefully, not repeat again on important papers. As the OP said previously, not all teachers have cared so maybe the daughter got carried away whilst being bored.

School is about more than just passing tests, it’s about showing your work in the best manner possible and a reflection of how serious you take a task given. All very important aspects of adult work that school is ultimately preparing you for.

’As the new mark isn’t a reflection of her ability on the test she worked hard for.’

The mark is reflective of a specific instruction give to the daughter as part of her test-taking that she had deliberately decided to ignore. Again. It was wholly part of her test not to doodle and she did it anyway.

I hate to lower myself to silly tit for tat about ‘jealousy’ over a child’s academic ability but I can assure you from my end at least, it’s not the case. I have one child who is very able academically, I’d absolutely back the teacher of it was him being deducted marks for the same reason.

watcherintherye · 06/07/2023 20:39

Is it a young Michael Eavis?

readbooksdrinktea · 06/07/2023 20:39

A lot of posters sound jealous that your daughter scored a very high mark and are responding bitterly

This place gets crazier every day.

Redglitter · 06/07/2023 20:39

lot of posters sound jealous that your daughter scored a very high mark and are responding bitterly

😂😂😂😂

Yeah that's it exactly

tidalway · 06/07/2023 20:37

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chillin12 · 06/07/2023 20:36

GoodChat · 06/07/2023 20:23

A lot of posters sound jealous that your daughter scored a very high mark and are responding bitterly

Nobody cares that her daughter did well. There's no point in being educationally outstanding if you're socially lacking.

I don’t think a young child doodling on a test paper, suddenly means they are “socially lacking.” Children make mistakes and it seems like a trivial issue she can learn from and hopefully, not repeat again.

chillin12 · 06/07/2023 20:34

Gerrataere · 06/07/2023 20:23

A lot of posters sound jealous that your daughter scored a very high mark and are responding bitterly.

Do you think, genuinely now, at all our grown ages that this is about jealousy of a young child’s mark in a random school test? Is that honestly the most reasonable conclusion you can come to here out of every possibility (including at this point the op drew that picture themselves and is on a colossal windup).

“Jealous,” maybe because their children aren’t scoring as well academically. Otherwise, why the need for such harsh and bitter replies as though OPs daughter committed a heinous crime, and “no one gives a shit about her marks,” etc. I don’t think the teacher is wrong to act this way, but it’s not unreasonable for the mother to feel upset about the deduction of marks. As the new mark isn’t a reflection of her ability on the test she worked hard for.

The daughter sounds like a child and the “doodling” sounds like a simple issue that she can learn from and hopefully, not repeat again on important papers. As the OP said previously, not all teachers have cared so maybe the daughter got carried away whilst being bored.

Gerrataere · 06/07/2023 20:33

Devonshiregal · 06/07/2023 20:25

This thread has stirred a lot of emotion in me because I was your daughter.l. I’m so glad to see you backing your daughter. Don’t even think about reigning in her arty side. She’s right there trying to free it. Get her art classes. Watch YouTube art lessons with her. Encourage doodling. Honestly institutional repression is just depressing and dampens all the wonder in the world. Fuck them. Her teacher should be finding a way to channel this passion but clearly your daughter doesn’t fit in their pigeon hole.

It was a test! You don’t even know if this was a specific secondary setting test, there is art class to work on naff drawings. Yes schools can be very constricted, but they also can’t give in to every ‘free spirit’ who feels that they’re not entitled to follow the simplest instructions because they’re ‘artsy’. Should the sporty kids start doing handstands during tests? What about the kid who thinks they’re the next Adele, should the teacher encourage them to howl like a dog in pain instead of doing algebra? Jesus let’s be honest at this point, if you’re going to insist on being ‘spirited’ and ‘screw the rules I’m special’ type person, at least make sure your art is truly worth the attention you want….

Devonshiregal · 06/07/2023 20:25

This thread has stirred a lot of emotion in me because I was your daughter.l. I’m so glad to see you backing your daughter. Don’t even think about reigning in her arty side. She’s right there trying to free it. Get her art classes. Watch YouTube art lessons with her. Encourage doodling. Honestly institutional repression is just depressing and dampens all the wonder in the world. Fuck them. Her teacher should be finding a way to channel this passion but clearly your daughter doesn’t fit in their pigeon hole.