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WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 16:48

AIBU to be upset that my daughters teacher took off 5 marks from her exam total because she doodled on the back of the paper while waiting to be allowed to leave the exam. She would have got 96% without the deduction. See attached the offending doodle. Teachers comment was "minus 5 marks for graffiti at the back. I have told you many times its not on."

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HerMammy · 06/07/2023 22:32

What age is your DD? she's clearly been told multiple times not to do this , do you and her think rules don't apply to her and her creativity?

OLDERME · 06/07/2023 22:27

Was your daughter upset?

blacktiger · 06/07/2023 22:27

For the exam board I mark for you have to flag any doodles that may be offensive and there is the warnings that they can lose their award depending on what they have done. This isn't a doodle I would have passed on to my supervisors but some might.
As it happens, I had a smiley face match stick man smoking a huge joint drawn years ago. Passed that one on as it was clearly a joint but my supervisor found it funny and didn't take it further.
Just your luck of the draw perhaps.

Devonshiregal · 06/07/2023 21:59

Gerrataere · 06/07/2023 20:33

It was a test! You don’t even know if this was a specific secondary setting test, there is art class to work on naff drawings. Yes schools can be very constricted, but they also can’t give in to every ‘free spirit’ who feels that they’re not entitled to follow the simplest instructions because they’re ‘artsy’. Should the sporty kids start doing handstands during tests? What about the kid who thinks they’re the next Adele, should the teacher encourage them to howl like a dog in pain instead of doing algebra? Jesus let’s be honest at this point, if you’re going to insist on being ‘spirited’ and ‘screw the rules I’m special’ type person, at least make sure your art is truly worth the attention you want….

Yes. I believe a fully functioning education system would follow each individual child’s passion. It might seem airy fairy but great world achievements were all accomplished by people who pushed ahead despite society telling them they were crazy. And sorry but this education system isn’t currently pumping out geniuses left, right and centre is it? So why not consider something different?

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 21:59

I'm also a GCSE examiner and this wouldn't affect her marks in an exam at all.

I must say I am relieved to hear that. Although I hope at that stage she will be able to control her impulse to doodle and spend any spare time on going over her paper.

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WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 21:55

Sound like we could do with a lot more teachers like you.

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WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 21:54

I'm so happy to hear that there are others out there who can relate.

My daughter says that when she doodles in class it helps her focus and better absorb the material being taught. but I appreciate that not all teachers are able to accommodate this and may see it as inappropriate behaviour. I am very greatful for all the querky teachers who were able to see past this and turn a blind eye over the years and appreciate my daughter for all her other qualities.

Of course I believe in kids respecting their teachers/elders

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Straycats · 06/07/2023 21:49

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 21:18

Thank you for your uplifting post. May you continue to get much joy from your daughter.

Thank you. I work in teaching and things like this taught me, never to judge and always believe in your kids and children that you teach, each one is important.

tigergoat · 06/07/2023 21:46

I'm a secondary English teacher and this wouldn't bother me in a test tbh. Doodling in exercise books does irritate me though, so I give scrap paper to those that like to be doing something with their hands while listening. I'd just want to assess her knowledge and understanding. I definitely wouldn't deduct marks. I'm also a GCSE examiner and this wouldn't affect her marks in an exam at all.

Veryverycalmnow · 06/07/2023 21:39

I used to doodle at the end of exams. It is harmless. I know lots of kids for whom drawing is soothing. It stops them from rocking on chairs or biting nails or tapping the pencil. I have never known this not to be allowed. Anxiety etc is heightened in exam conditions.

WhatADrabCarpet · 06/07/2023 21:36

Good luck with her GCSEs then.

Proudofitbabe · 06/07/2023 21:25

She's been told repeatedly, therefore she effectively chose to piss away those marks. Your annoyance at the teacher is totally misplaced, but it would explain why your daughter continues to be defiant.

Gerrataere · 06/07/2023 21:22

Had one teacher call me in, middle daughter at time was six, she’d drawn an uncanny likeness of her teacher, who surprisingly resembled Miss Piggy, she’d also drawn a hand with a knife and blood dripping from it, teacher was shocked and assumed I’d be shocked and punish her

If she had done that these days a ‘smug teacher’ would have been the least of your worries. You’d have been explaining yourself to the safeguarding lead about why your six year old is drawing such violent pictures along with offensive portraits of her teacher…

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 21:18

Thank you for your uplifting post. May you continue to get much joy from your daughter.

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HappyCatty · 06/07/2023 21:17

Genuine question... When your daughter does something at home that you have asked her, repeatedly, not to do, and she continues to do it, are there any consequences or sanctions? If not, you are raising a child who will struggle to cope with the real world where there are many rules that may not suit her. If you do impose consequences, why do you think they shouldn't be imposed at school for repeated violations? Or is it simply because she is so wonderfully "arty" and therefore a free spirit, who rules shouldn't apply to when it comes to expression of her "art"?

I personally don't think it's about the doodling, it's about the simple lack of respect of the teacher's rules. If she knows she shouldn't do it but still does, then she has to accept whatever sanctions the teacher chooses to apply. It's disrespectful and you should be backing the teacher.

willWillSmithsmith · 06/07/2023 21:15

GoodChat · 06/07/2023 20:23

A lot of posters sound jealous that your daughter scored a very high mark and are responding bitterly

Nobody cares that her daughter did well. There's no point in being educationally outstanding if you're socially lacking.

That doesn’t make sense. There are many hugely successful very very rich educated people who are (or were) socially lacking. It’s what usually makes them very rich (Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs, etc).

I think the best thing is for her not to doodle at the expense of exam results but draw in her own time. There’s no point in her sabotaging her results for the sake of a doodle.

NumberTheory · 06/07/2023 21:15

I've never heard of marks being deducted for this in exams that "matter" (A'levels. uni, professional exams, etc.) so I don't really get the "it's best she learns now" type of responses.

Pettiness like this from teachers can really put students off a subject, or even school altogether.

Straycats · 06/07/2023 21:15

I like her artistic flair.
Had one teacher call me in, middle daughter at time was six, she’d drawn an uncanny likeness of her teacher, who surprisingly resembled Miss Piggy, she’d also drawn a hand with a knife and blood dripping from it, teacher was shocked and assumed I’d be shocked and punish her, same teacher had smugly said she was in the bottom bottom third in class, I’d wanted to take her out of school, hubby talked me out of it, following year she had a fantastic teacher, who brought in her own art supplies and my daughter was in the top of class and continued to excel. She had artworks commissioned from the age of 14 and is now a Director to a Marketing Company.
Finally she didn’t have a predilection to violence, she has always been an exceptionally gentle kind soul.

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 21:15

Actually I thought the drawing was rather hideous but also amusing.

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speluncean · 06/07/2023 21:11

*rather than

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 21:10

As her mum I am of course biased but on this front I will agree with you.

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speluncean · 06/07/2023 21:10

Honestly it's best she learns this now than in exams that matter.

Macaroni46 · 06/07/2023 21:09

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 20:56

The doodling has been an ongoing issue since her early years and of course while trying to encourage my daughter to appreciate that there is a time and place for her creativity or according to some of you the lack thereof. I have also tried to work with the staff to accommodate her.

Rather than trying to work on staff trying to accommodate her, how about working on getting your DD to stop?
There are plenty of opportunities for her to be arty, the back of an exam paper is not the time.

WantToBeAMamma · 06/07/2023 21:09

Sadly it's all real. I don't see the funny side.

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kingtamponthefurred · 06/07/2023 21:09

That thing is hideous.