Permanently banned for ‘promoting hate’

"Defining" needn't mean 'type out the dictionary definition'. Here I just mean I want to know what you, i.e. the person saying it, means by it.

There is the famous mantra 'trans women are women' and the people saying it can't define 'trans' or 'women'. And the 'are' is frankly a bit shaky too.

But if you can't define words, then everything else you say is irrelevant because we don't even know whether you're talking about the same thing. So 'man' might refer to a fish and your friend may feel like a fish and live in a pond. Who knows? Certainly your ideas have no relevance to any social policy unless you can firm up what they actually relate to.

What's absolutely not funny is the social harm which is being done by people like you who refuse to offer even any basic definition of their terms. Children are being sterilised, women's sports are obliterated, women are unsafe in healthcare setting and being locked in prisons with men. All in the name of 'TWAW but we won't define what woman mean'. It's shameful and disgusting.

I'm really sorry I missed the 'passing' part of the conversation, because I missed the opportunity to post this relevant photo.

If there’s no clear definition of man or woman, then trans people no longer exist.

Yes, what I can conclude is that when someone says eg 'a man is doing xyz' i can only assume it's a human doing it - we have lost granularity because people mean totally different things by the same word and we have no way of knowing what.

In most things in life, sex or gender is irrelevant. However, where they are important, they are pretty important - including to trans people - so it's a shame we have to basically lose the words to meaninglessness.
If someone said they only date men, for example, they have lost the potential ability to gain protection under equality laws for being gay, because we no longer can say what being gay is (Stonewall say only being attracted to one sex is like racism).

Hence why we asked you to define man

I'm.working on adult human male. For your points to make sense if you have an alternative definition then that needs to be communicated in a way we can all understand or nothing is going to male sense

But this is how conversation works. We can only talk and understand what people mean because of universally understood meanings.of words

If your definition of rice transpires to be Catfood amd mine is yogurt then the two of us talking about a recipe for risotto is going to lead to nothing but confusion

If you have a different concept of a word then we simply can't have a discussion because it only works if we are working on the same definitions.

I don't see this as a pile on. What's happened is that people asked me to define words, and I said I can't/won't define words, and everyone said I have to give definitions for words otherwise I don't know what I mean, so I told someone to define a bunch of words and now everybody has gone mental. It's just funny and I'm leaving it now.

I know this will seem like a pile on and i hope you can not take it as that. It's a lot of posts to essentially try and understand what people mean. Got to go now but all meant in the spirit of debate and hopefully prompt some thinking points at least. The concept of passing is problematic to some trans people due to suggesting that men are male and women are female.

Oops! I'm interested to know if flaff generally thinks a trans person is someone who wants to be the opposite sex. Most of us did before the self-id push and insistence on gender identity.

If you disagree I think you need to define man in a way whoch includes your friend as a starting point

If men and women have no definitions then what is transition? What are people transitioning from and to?

I am

Knowledge still has set definitions, which are the ones i mean when i use the word, depending on context (i don't mean carnal knowledge in this instance, for example).

I didn't think the rest warranted a response but if you want a specific response to a specific point I would be happy to reply. Please tell me which points?

I will respond to you saying you didn't define a man really. I think you need to. You're supporting a change to social policy and law including those which protect women. I think a man is an adult human male. That means your friend isn't a man. If you disagree I think you need to define man in a way whoch includes your friend as a starting point

I will apologise for suggesting you're not a genuine poster. I think you are now engaging so actually probably are. I think perhaps you're just someone who has not thought things through.

Ok, to save time - which word in that list were you not sure what i meant by - happy to define it/ them. If you could do likewise I'd appreciate it.
Please don't be dishonest though. If you understood what i was saying then there is no issue, is there?

Knowledge is an abstract noun. It’s conceptual. It can’t be seen, heard, smelt, felt or tasted.

Man is a common noun. A material reality which has objective truths. A word which is vital in order to create laws and policies.

You’re arguing apples and de ja vu.

You’re not making a point.

You’re just clarifying that you have no point.

Knowledge is a different word from Know, and defined differently - did you think it was the same word?

You're allowed to look up "man"! I wasnt suggesting this was a memory test. It's "adult human male". Do you accept this or do you propose a different meaning?

Remember that "man" and "woman" / "boy" and "girl" are supposed to be SO obviously defined that we are supposed to accept that when children say they are one of them based on a feeling we don't question it. And yet adults say it's too complicated.

"to hold knowledge of" is just as circular as "a man is someone who seems like a man"
Define "knowledge".

Because if you have to look it up then you can't define it yourself. Have you read every single one to know you don't disagree with any of them?

Also, why can't I use a dictionary? I don't disagree with any definitions in there - do you?

Yes all correct.

I'd have failed many a test or assignment if my answers were simply examples of a word I refused to define amd no actual definition. Everyone knows what a man and a woman is. Eveb those who pretend it's difficult or impossible to define.

Watch 2 males regardless of what they call themselves, who want a baby suddenly remember what a woman is

I'm not going to sit here typing them all out because it'll take ages and I'm trying to get my DD ready but I'm confident I could tell you what I meant by them, given enough time, yes.

Eg Know - to hold knowledge of, or be acquainted with someone or something.

You have said you don't know what you mean by "man" yet you keep using it.

Are these words used to describe, in law, protected groups of people?
Are these words vulnerable to violence from other words?
Are these words murdered at a rate of two per week by words they are or have been in relationships with?

These diversion tactics don’t do anything but make your point look even more ridiculous, illogical and indefensible.