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Weedoormatnomore · 03/07/2023 18:55

Hi I currently have my hand strapped after an accident. Got fracture clinic so might have cast on it Wednesday.as got a broken bone. I wfh Sunday and Monday. Job meant to be hibrid though I go to office only work pt. Was slow though as could only use one hand. Kept getting chased for info and know next 2 weeks are going to be a nightmare. Got holiday to take but no time to take as other people booked same time so mine was denied even though they can't do my job and I have no time to do theirs different departments. Actually not got enough hours to do my job boss said I needed more hrs but manager gave hrs to someone else saying they could help they haven't but are managers favourite. Only been in job a few months. I know manager will go mad as no-one to do my job !

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Weedoormatnomore · 05/07/2023 18:30

Thank you for your advice called up the manager reassuring her nothing urgent needs to be done will speak to them Monday and come up with a plan for next few weeks as hopefully I will be thinking more clearly .

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PrueRamsay · 05/07/2023 15:40

Well that’s great you are signed off. I’m assuming you have told your employer this, and sent in your certificate.

It’s not unacceptable to give a quick update on current work, such as:

Someone needs to get back to Mr Jones by Friday about X.

The invoices for client Z are all prepared and in named file

That kind of thing, very briefly, but beyond that, block/mute numbers whilst you’re off if you don’t feel strong enough to ignore them.

sandyhappypeople · 05/07/2023 14:21

Please don't take this the wrong way but I find your way of communicating quite hard to follow OP, maybe your work is having the same trouble, if I was you I'd write out a concise email with EXACTLY what you need, break it down into sections: timelines the doctor has suggested, info they may need, where you were with certain work projects and tell them where to find the things they need in your absence. If you're actually capable of doing one it's a dick move to just disappear and not to do a proper handover so they can cover you in your absence.

OR if this was me and I had a good relationship with work:

I'd speak to my manager, sort out a plan for reasonable adjustment working and go from there, they would have to accept that you're going to be slower, there's nothing that can be done about that, if you can't use one hand I'd suggest using a dictation app for any typing, or trying to find some workarounds. Bottom line is though, you can only work as fast as you can, if they were still paying you to work as they normally would it wouldn't bother me to take a few calls outside of my normal hours as it's my fault I can't keep up not theirs, just don't answer when it's not convenient. A bit of give and take is required on both parts if you were on board with doing this.

Do whatever you feel is right for you.

Lougle · 05/07/2023 14:09

You can block the number.

Weedoormatnomore · 05/07/2023 13:45

Got a lovely cast now. Dr signed me off for 4 weeks told me could be up to 6 wks till I can drive due to the break. When I questioned saying I need to work he mentioned could do operation no thank you Would do fit note I said ok asked me about job etc then he decided best to just sign me off for 4wks. Had calls yesterday on none working day then after they had sick note had 2 calls and 3 whatsapps all with questions how to do my job and where to find information. It's my personal phone so can't turn it off.

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Weedoormatnomore · 05/07/2023 13:35

Miekle · 03/07/2023 20:28

Your username suggests you may sometimes have trouble asserting yourself?

If you think you are too sick/broken/tired to work at all, send one email or phone call saying you are sick and need x days off, and you'll keep them updated. Then turn off your emails and ignore any calls from work.

In the long term, work hard for the hours you are paid for. Then clock off. Explain you haven't finished xyz because you have too much work for the time available and that you are having to prioritise. Refuse to do free work. Never answer calls out of hours and never look at work emails. If they need to contact you for something genuine like 'please don't come in tomorrow as there's been a fire in the office' they can leave a voicemail or text.

When you have a good employer who values you it is possible to bend these boundaries slightly, so long as it works both ways. But when you have a bad employer you have to be rigid with your work time and free time or they will just keep taking advantage.

🤣 Yes you got it I am useless at being assertive. So much for tyring to stop that from happening.

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GirlOfTudor · 03/07/2023 21:35

After briefly reading your replies, you are clearly not ready to go back to work. If you can't even get dressed properly, then you can't drive and do your job as usual. Unless you drive an automatic, how are you expecting to change gears in your car?

You need to set your boundaries between work and home. Why are your colleagues calling your personal number? Why are you picking up every time they call? You must have the numbers saved or recognise them by this point?

If you're completing extra hours outside of your contract, you're being underpaid for the hours you work. You could even be working under the national minimum wage.

Of course you aren't going to be given a contract with more hours if you're just gonna do the work for free. Why would your manager pay you when they know you'll do it for free? You need to stop working unpaid and approach HR.

It doesn't sound like a healthy working culture. I would consider my immediate future within the company.

Spinewars23 · 03/07/2023 20:56

Got to do what is right for you.

Posted on this very site for help first week of January told to stop malingering in relative new job etc; I am so much worse blah blah, I ended up on operating table with lights above 27th Jan 23. And no they don’t make you work from hospital a month long patient as a child having to attend school on children’s wards.

You got to look after yourself as no one else will.

Only today one of a number of ex. gp receptionist’s (as we’re in the now private sector) was trying to say a London nhs surgery charges for any fit notes; it quite got my back up. (excuse the pun) surely she means inside the first 7 days when you self certify…

Weedoormatnomore · 03/07/2023 20:42

SleeplessinScarbourough · 03/07/2023 20:37

Speak to your doctor as soon as possible and in the meantime self-cert. I am not a medical professional but I would definitely mark you as unfit to work. You need to heal and recover. Let the doctor sign you off for four weeks and then see where you are. Your work/ manager is being unreasonable so limit contact with them and just keep them informed of the facts leading up to your fit note. Once your boss/HR have a copy of the note turn off any email notifications etc until your fit note runs out and then speak to your doctor about whether you need another one. It is not your responsibility to cover your work load. If your work is understaffed that is a senior management/ HR issue that they need to work out themselves.

Thank you actually waiting for Dr to call me this week after waiting 7 weeks for appointment to discuss stress or menupose. As I actually cried during an online meeting never done that in all of my career. Not one person said anything !

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Weedoormatnomore · 03/07/2023 20:39

PrueRamsay · 03/07/2023 20:35

Ok, so you call her early tomorrow, ideally before your shift starts, saying you are unable to work and will be off for at least the rest of the week.

If you aren’t better by then, you will get a doctors note next week.

Then ignore her.

Thank you.

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Weedoormatnomore · 03/07/2023 20:37

Justkeepingplatesspinning · 03/07/2023 20:35

Sorry, I didn't see your post about having tried to call in sick but they essentially ignored you. Phone HR in the morning and email them and your manager with a self cert form for the rest of this week. Then put an out of office on. If you were in hospital you'd not be able to work.

Thank you I didn't even know you could do a self cert form will google it tomorrow.

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SleeplessinScarbourough · 03/07/2023 20:37

Speak to your doctor as soon as possible and in the meantime self-cert. I am not a medical professional but I would definitely mark you as unfit to work. You need to heal and recover. Let the doctor sign you off for four weeks and then see where you are. Your work/ manager is being unreasonable so limit contact with them and just keep them informed of the facts leading up to your fit note. Once your boss/HR have a copy of the note turn off any email notifications etc until your fit note runs out and then speak to your doctor about whether you need another one. It is not your responsibility to cover your work load. If your work is understaffed that is a senior management/ HR issue that they need to work out themselves.

PrueRamsay · 03/07/2023 20:35

Ok, so you call her early tomorrow, ideally before your shift starts, saying you are unable to work and will be off for at least the rest of the week.

If you aren’t better by then, you will get a doctors note next week.

Then ignore her.

Weedoormatnomore · 03/07/2023 20:35

Think real question I am asking is if I should ask for fit not saying I need too rest for a few days as knackered then with reasonable adjustments can work. Just hate taking time off but feel.like I can hurt myself again rushing around to get this job done!

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Justkeepingplatesspinning · 03/07/2023 20:35

Sorry, I didn't see your post about having tried to call in sick but they essentially ignored you. Phone HR in the morning and email them and your manager with a self cert form for the rest of this week. Then put an out of office on. If you were in hospital you'd not be able to work.

Weedoormatnomore · 03/07/2023 20:30

PrueRamsay · 03/07/2023 20:23

I am finding this hard to follow.

So you have called in sick? In which case you don’t respond to work emails.

I told manager what happened and how bad it was didn't use exact words though that I was going to self certify thought she would understand. Dh work told him he was fine to do flexi around kids school runs etc
I told manager I couldn't drive no way to get to office and she still asked where I was. Thinkshee only hears want she wants too.

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Justkeepingplatesspinning · 03/07/2023 20:30

You need to call in sick, be kind to yourself. Also, depending on your job, the meds might affect your ability to function (as might the pain) and make decisions. When I had similar, my work told me to go sick and give myself time to get better. Do work know you're injured?

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 03/07/2023 20:28

A doctors note won't help, because all it will do is say you need sick leave, you're already on sick leave but you are still working.

This is a you issue, you need to set a boundary 'hi manager, as you know I am on sick leave because I am not capable of working due to my broken bone. As such I will not be working, which means I am not going to be answering work calls. I hope to be back at work on xx date but will update you if this changes.' If your sick policy says you need to call in everyday, then you do that then ignore all calls and emails.

If you choose to answer the calls and emails then you have no one to blame but yourself for the fact that you are working while on sick leave.

Miekle · 03/07/2023 20:28

Your username suggests you may sometimes have trouble asserting yourself?

If you think you are too sick/broken/tired to work at all, send one email or phone call saying you are sick and need x days off, and you'll keep them updated. Then turn off your emails and ignore any calls from work.

In the long term, work hard for the hours you are paid for. Then clock off. Explain you haven't finished xyz because you have too much work for the time available and that you are having to prioritise. Refuse to do free work. Never answer calls out of hours and never look at work emails. If they need to contact you for something genuine like 'please don't come in tomorrow as there's been a fire in the office' they can leave a voicemail or text.

When you have a good employer who values you it is possible to bend these boundaries slightly, so long as it works both ways. But when you have a bad employer you have to be rigid with your work time and free time or they will just keep taking advantage.

PrueRamsay · 03/07/2023 20:23

I am finding this hard to follow.

So you have called in sick? In which case you don’t respond to work emails.

Weedoormatnomore · 03/07/2023 20:22

Justkeepingplatesspinning · 03/07/2023 20:20

If you're needing to take meds for the pain, and honestly even if you're coping without, I would be phoning in sick this week. You need time to start to heal and everything will be taking longer than usual=you'll probably be more fatigued.

Needed painkillers to be able to work today and to sleep.

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Weedoormatnomore · 03/07/2023 20:21

PrueRamsay · 03/07/2023 20:19

So why don’t you just call in sick and self certificate? I can’t see what else you can do?

I tried to said can't work as had no sleep.in 30hrs and got broken hand just got emails back chasing for information.

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Justkeepingplatesspinning · 03/07/2023 20:20

If you're needing to take meds for the pain, and honestly even if you're coping without, I would be phoning in sick this week. You need time to start to heal and everything will be taking longer than usual=you'll probably be more fatigued.

WhatADrabCarpet · 03/07/2023 20:20

Yep. Just call in sick.

PrueRamsay · 03/07/2023 20:19

So why don’t you just call in sick and self certificate? I can’t see what else you can do?

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